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If every liberal that expressed outrage over illegal immigration policy...


... was required by law to allow them to stay in their home with them if the illegals choose to, how many would still be vocal about it?

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People would never be required by law to house immigrants.

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In Sweden people are forced to vacate if they cannot afford to house Somalian refugees.

In America, Holllywood already harbor illegals as servants.

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At least we have space to house people.

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Where do you come up with these BS myths you're constantly peddling? There is no law in Sweden that forces anyone to house anyone, Somali or otherwise.

There was a rumor fueled by a 1992 commission that recommended the government should have the option to seize summer homes from the Swedish people in a time of crisis.

It was never made into law.

In 2015 a Swedish columnist urged the public to "make way" and "hand over the keys to their apartments to those in greater need."

That was her opinion, not the law. Do yourself the favor of fact checking your outlandish claims more often. A general rule, if it sounds like bullshit, it probably is.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6550/sweden-islam-multiculturalism

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It's a hypothetical question. What's your answer?

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Luv your "handle" Burk48917-space-(1086).
Do you have many on-line aliases? A bunch of bogus accounts? Russian maybe?
Or just someone paid to stir the pot, throw ignorant comments out to see how many ignorant people support them?

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You answer my question honestly, and I'll answer in kind. I'm not afraid to be honest, evidently you are.

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Now that I have read this thread thoroughly, I see others have addressed the same issues I have with your OP.
It's an absurd, hypothetical question.
What if everyone who bitched about taxes - quit paying taxes? Et cetela, et cetela.

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I'll paste this here in case you missed this reply to someone else.

...that's why I clarified it was hypothetical. It strongly shows my point that the vocal left can't be honest that the problem is extremely complicated when it comes to letting people in with no jobs, income, no knowledge of their background, no homes,etc.Not one person has actually answered this question. Obviously nobody should be forced to do something that affects their lives directly in a negative way,or forced in a situation because the government strong armed us. That line of thinking directly parallels forcing Americans to pay taxes for services to people who DON'T pay taxes, look the other way when they take our jobs, accept that they commit horrible crimes after they've been deported multiple times, or accept illegals who send money back to there families from illegal jobs instead of spending it in our economy. The left thinks we should be forced to accept these things, and it's just as rediculous as forcing people to allow strangers in their homes. I'm glad you agree.

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I would not be ok with being forced to house anyone. The third amendment addressed this partially. I don’t think anyone would like this liberal or conservative.

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I agree,and that's why I clarified it was hypothetical. It strongly shows my point that the vocal left can't be honest that the problem is extremely complicated when it comes to letting people in with no jobs, income, no knowledge of their background, no homes,etc.Not one person has actually answered this question. Obviously nobody should be forced to do something that affects their lives directly in a negative way,or forced in a situation because the government strong armed us. That line of thinking directly parallels forcing Americans to pay taxes for services to people who DON'T pay taxes, look the other way when they take our jobs, accept that they commit horrible crimes after they've been deported multiple times, or accept illegals who send money back to there families from illegal jobs instead of spending it in our economy. The left thinks we should be forced to accept these things, and it's just as rediculous as forcing people to allow strangers in their homes. I'm glad you agree.

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Respectfully, you are provoking a NIMBY argument that makes compassionate people look like hypocrites.
No one doesn't want people - especially themselves - to be successful. Very few people want their taxes raised.

Unfettered Capaitalism (i.e., No Regulation) has led to to greedy merchants going where they can get cheap labor and the American workforce be damned. That's Reagun's free market/no regulation/union busting coming to fruition.
Tear Down This Wall. Build Up This Wall. Which is it?
And yes, the problem is extremely complicated, and I compliment you for acknowledging that.

btw, I think it's a gross misstatement that We are looking the other way about taking jobs away and horrible crimes. I'm sure the % of illegals committing crimes is dwarfed by our own villains, and the great % of illegals are just striving to get a better life.
If "illegals" choose to live frugally, and greedy Repubs like Trump choose to employ them on the cheap, they have the right to send their $$ to their families.

I personally don't want to solve Society's Problems by personally housing illegal or homeless people.
That doesn't mean I don't care and I don't want resources wisely used to make this World A Better Place.

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Wow this post is a breathe of sane air. Agree 100% and love the Regan quote highlighting how bipolar the republicants are. Regan is their god (until drumpf became their supreme leader) and that's an iconic line.

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To me, perhaps the issue of becoming a legal citizen needs to be more accessible, affordable and streamlined,but as with many aspects of our government it is inefficient, financially wasteful and corrupt. This includes areas like the IRS, all levels of law enforcement and areas of the military, and for most small town governments. We'd all like to ignore the laws, regulations and requirements that are unjust, misguided or blatently corrupt. The answer is to change what isn't working,not ignore it or disregard it. And certainly it shouldn't be expected to suffer no consequences for choosing to ignore laws. I'd be arrested as quick as anyone if I decided not to file my income tax return because I feel it is unjust. We need to change the system, not just pick and choose which areas of it we decide to respect.

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Of course I would have a problem with that but I'd also have a problem if there was a law that said I'd have to allow American citizens to stay with me if they chose to. Your question makes little sense since most of the illegals pay rent for their housing as well as work jobs and pay payroll taxes.

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How can an illegal pay payroll tax?

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http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/maria-teresa-kumar/how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/

Pretty good breakdown of how illegal immigrants contribute to the US economy including paying taxes. From the article:

According to the Social Security Administration, there were nearly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States in January 2009. Factoring out kids, nonworking immigrants and those working in the underground economy and not paying taxes, the Social Security Administration estimated about 3.1 million unauthorized immigrants who worked and paid Social Security taxes in 2010.

This group and their employers generated about $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010. The administration then subtracted about $1 billion in benefits that could’ve been received in 2010 from earnings in years when workers were unauthorized. Workers and employers contribute roughly the same amount.

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Anyone opposed to a border wall should have all fences removed from their property. Doors removed from their homes. Zippers removed from their pants.

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This comparison makes no sense. People choose to use THEIR money to do with THEIR property as they wish.

When it comes to our tax dollars we elect officials to work together to determine how that money would be best spent. Many oppose spending billions to construct a border wall between us and Mexico that they feel would be ineffective and essentially a waste of money. Donald Trump promised during his campaign that Mexico would pay for it and it wouldn't cost taxpayers anything. Most saw this as nonsense but he repeated it over and over. Now he's in office and he wants to stick America with the bill.

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"This comparison makes no sense. "

it does.

the OPs statement though makes exactly the same sense as european conquerers talking about "immigration" to begin with.

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Do you personally know any European conquerers? Which of them were talking about immigration?

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are you "american"? are you white? then yeah, it's adressed at you specifically and personally. kisses, cutie pie.

one difference though. "they" came here peacefully. your ancesters killed their way into american ground. it will not get any more "illegal" than that.

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You seem to have your facts wrong. 1: MANY Europeans came here after the conquerers did. 2: almost every nation in the world has had some type of invaders take over at some point, so it aint just white folks or Americans punkin. 3: To single out a specific race that parallels the actions of many other races makes you a racist. 4: There aren't ANY of those conquerers alive today, and no more than you are responsible for past crimes committed by your relatives, that title doesn't apply to anyone today for the same reason. 5: either you aren't intelligent enough to come to these conclusions yourself, or you're just a pathetic racist trying to blame whites for your shitty life. Either way, I'm done dignifying your existence, because I don't like racists or ignorance.

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Well said. Sick to see anti-white racist propaganda everywhere.

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When the so-called natives from Beringia invaded the Americas, they committed Sasquatch genocide. Sasquatch should have built a wall!

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Anyone opposed to a border wall

The concept of a 30+ foot concrete wall was idiotic, symbolic, and a waste of money.

Even Trump was smart enough to scale that back and realize the fencing, like what is already there, is best.

He does love the word "wall" though.

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But...but...Mexico is paying for it! He promised his brownshirts that multiple times while campaigning!

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MAGA=Mexico Ain't Gonna Agree

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Mexico doesn't need to pay for it. We have a shitload of illegal immigrants here that will do it for next to nothing because they don't have to pay taxes.

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But that’s NOT what Drumpf promised, IS it?

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Meh, I don't really care what politicians say. They are ALL liars and mostly out to improve their own life and screw the rest of us. I don't think Trump is altruistic by any stretch, but I think he'd like to make a big change in America just to prove he could. I also think he believes he wants what is best for us, and for the most part I agree with his vision,with some pointed exceptions. As long as his actions produce results I agree with, he can lie and be an incredibly clunky politician, and I don't really care.

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hahaha. nailed it.

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As I doubt you own property, live anywhere anyone would want to go or have anything in your pants, your argument is Ill-informed.

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LOOL!

I think you're exceptionally perceptive.

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I'm on the internet debating Donald Trump on a movie message board against defenders that the patrons of a Waflle house at 3 a.m. would laugh at, an act that is best described as the cyber equivalent to peeing into the wind.


Doesn't sound very perceptive to me.

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Ah, I think you're being too modest. The humor was biting. Fresh jive.

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Reported for personal insults.

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Fair IS fair, I guess.

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what's the logic behind that sentence?

"if every republican that is against taxing wall street properly would have to give them 50% of their sallary, how many would still be vocal about it? "

"if every republican that is against abortion would have to take in 10 orphans, how many would still be vocal about it? "

"if every republican that is ok with white male rapists getting a pass, so their lives would not be destroyed would be forced to get their daughter raped, how many would still be vocal about it?"

etc etc etc

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Hey, that 3rd sounds a bit racist. Why specific to whites? I actually agree with the first two for the most part. I think EVERYONE should put there money where there mouth is. I think there is plenty of validity to holding people accountable for the consequences of their desires, regardless of political affiliation, don't you?

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Still no answer. You afraid to be honest pumpkin? How am I a hypocrite? I don't hear a lot of conservatives complaining, so I'm addressing the whiny left. I don't like extreme party affiliation from either side, and my previous posts back that up. Unfortunately for the left, you guys are making the right seem moderate and logical.

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oooooh, my apologies. no everybody can live off food stamps. so your first answer got deleted, eh? ;)

"I don't hear a lot of conservatives complaining"
funny, white conservatives were the only one supporting brock turner.

"I don't like extreme party affiliation"
"If every liberal that expressed outrage over illegal immigration policy...
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... was required by law to allow them to stay in their home with them if the illegals choose to, how many would still be vocal about it? "
hypocrite.

"Unfortunately for the left, you guys are making the right seem moderate and logical."
so, if you don*t support rape by the ruling class, you are "the left". what is that, btw? i mean "THE LEFT". non-rapists?


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Lol, a mod deleted my post because I melted a snowflake. The rest of your shit makes no sense, because you've come to the conclusion that if someone doesn't support liberalism they are conservative. Someday you will get it, and realize it's what cost you the election.

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obviously wrong, because neither exists. if you think you are 100% conservative or 100% liberal, then you are only one thing 100%... retarted.

"it's what cost you the election."

oh, i am up for election? wow, that's new to me. what am i going to be? senator? mayor? president???

so, wanna apply for a job? seems like you desperately need one.

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Hey, that 3rd sounds a bit racist. Why specific to whites?

It sounds like a reference to the Brock Turner story.

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No it doesn't, it sounds like racist comments towards whites. There is nothing in that statement whatsoever that would insinuate a particular case.

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If you can be racist towards white people, then it's justifiable for white people to band together and start their own identitarian movement. In order to defend themselves from anti-whites like you. Neck yourself.

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That makes absolutely no sense. What's that got to do with seperating immigrants' families?

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Oh sandoz, resorting to personal attacks instead of answering the question. It's almost like you aren't willing to answer because it would be a conflict with your issues with the topic. Pretty typical liberal stuff. "Outrage Without Answers" should be the Democratic slogan.

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Sorry, I don't play games answering silly hypothetical questions like yours. Not that hypothetical questions can't be fun to discuss sometimes, but yours is cuckoo.

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Evasive as always. Lots of excuses to not answer a pointed question that might have unpleasant answers. Not ONE person on the left has honestly addressed this, including you. Is this Hillary using a pseudonym?

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Hypothetical questions are never "pointed." They're aimless, rambling, and only occasionally amusing based on their entertainment factor. Yours is not amusing at all.

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Hahaha, your hypocritical view is blatent. You sound like a kid when he doesn't know an answer and says "if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you". Childishness seems to go hand in hand with the left, so I shouldn't be surprised. Rest assured, anyone who doesn't share your silly blind hatred sees right through your unwillingness to back up your beliefs, or at least admit your hypocrisy. You're about as pathetic as they come.

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It's a hypothetical question meant to point out how easy it is to complain without any real thought to the consequence of the actions. This is an overwhelming issue with the left. Does that answer your question?

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No, it's just more flame baiting. And diversion.

Hallmarks of America in the 21st Century.

Let's just put the cards out there....do YOU think Trump & Sessions was right to enact a zero tolerance policy on an policy no other President acted on and separate young children from their parents? It's a yes or no question.

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Isn't the problem that we're again talking about "requirements"? I realize an alarming number of Americans are happy to throw away decisions and personal accountability as long as they're leader tells them someone else is to blame for their lot in life, but this should be about choice, not mandate. As long as your choices don't hurt or have the potential to hurt others, of course.

If I had more room and an illegal immigrant needed a place to get their act together...yes, I would.

And I'm not a liberal. Just a human

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From another reply:

...Obviously nobody should be forced to do something that affects their lives directly in a negative way,or forced in a situation because the government strong armed us. That line of thinking directly parallels forcing Americans to pay taxes for services to people who DON'T pay taxes, look the other way when they take our jobs, accept that they commit horrible crimes after they've been deported multiple times, or accept illegals who send money back to there families from illegal jobs instead of spending it in our economy. The left thinks we should be forced to accept these things, and it's just as rediculous as forcing people to allow strangers in their homes. I'm glad you agree.

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By that thinking, I shouldn't have to live with Americans stockpiling guns because the government slavishly supports to outdated second amendment and having to do so impacts my life in a negative way.

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None would still be vocal. The majority are uninformed feelers and the few leading the charge have an agenda.

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Don't forget that we are a nation of immigrants. The original settlers fled Europe, just the way immigrants are fleeing their countries today.

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No welfare back then.

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Other than they are immigrants, very little is comparable to today's issues. As times change, do does the way we see and deal with things. Many people are advocates of radical gun reform, but the unfettered right to bare arms was also something our nation was founded on. Unfortunately,so was the right to own slaves. We constantly adjust based on current times.

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