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Should Trump make an official language in the US?


As of now, there is no official language in the US yet majority do speak English. Imagine if everyone just spoke their own language then this whole country would be isolated to only those who understand one or the other if not both. Seems the argument here is that just because there is no official language, no one needs to speak English or maybe even bother learning it. Heck I remember when manuals were only in English and now they have like Chinese, Spanish, French, etc.

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Manuals are printed in various languages as the same product is shipped through out the world. Efficient to print one manual than a dozen and stick the same one in each box.

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Not really. Most manuals printed that way skimp out on details for the sake of including more languages.

Even worse are the manuals that must accommodate the lack of education for a lot of people using the same product to the point they don't even print words they just use pictures. Intell and AMD should be ashamed at how dangours their manuals are when they show crude pictures describing how to install CPUs with out showing the proper pressure points on their ZIF sockets that lead to countless failed installs and damaged motherboard CPU socket interfaces. Way to sell more hardware guys.

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Yes although they only include the languages of the spoken language in said country. For instance in Canada they only had English and French in the manuals. Now I see Chinese, Arabic, and Spanish. The only time I see manuals with large number of languages are like those in games and such but not really so for material parts being sold in said country. Like I don't think you would see Spanish or other in a Chinese manual in China (maybe English).

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Languages self perpetuate in regions where they are viable.

Canada is a great example. French is crowbarred down our throats but is not doing any better today then in the 70s when bill 101 was introduced. Fewer FP500 organizations are headquarted in Quebec because of the language laws.

Now look at Toronto and there are plenty of neighbourhoods with Mandarin/Cantonese, Portuguese, Italian etc. signage. This is all the proof you need to know that special rights are not needed if the community wants a language to be present and available.

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This is kind of a baited question. For the sake of industry education and economics we should have 1 official language just like we should also switch to the metric system. I would advocate one language for economic reasons rather then cultural reasons. What people speak in their homes is their own business but what they speak at shopping malls banks, and general legal procedures transactions is everyone's business.

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Yes, that's what I was trying to get at. I meant in the public setting when dealing with customers and such. There was this racist guy I am sure you heard of in the news about the cashier speaking Spanish to another woman cause she spoke in Spanish and he got irate at them for not speaking English in a public setting.

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I didn't hear the full story but my take is you don't get irate because a cashier and customer were talking spanish to each other, thats actually fine. Instead your objection should be directed at businesses that didn't bother to hire an english speaking staff that interfaces with actual customers. For example if you walk into a mc donalds and the cashier is unable to speak english to take your order should be cause for alarm but since your not dealing with the janitor he shoulden't be required to learn english.

My other take is if you can't speak english you can't pass highschool. And businesses that hire people that can't pass high school probably don't deserve your money.

But in all this I'm saying enlish should be the official language to keep commerce going. I don't like when people advocate english as the only language for the sake of presearving the purity of the culture. Thats like what the french are doing in canada and I don't want to follow their model.

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Having an official language wouldn't really mean anything though. You'd have to attach laws to it.

What you're describing is the government forcing all companies to only hire English-speaking workers. That kind of decision should be made by the free market, not federal law.

The only way I see English becoming the official language is if it's merely an empty gesture to stop people from whining about it.

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Having an official language wouldn't really mean anything though. You'd have to attach laws to it.

I'm talking about official documentation such as street signs and government law documents.in general. I still of course want legal protections for example it should still be legal to try to get a non english speaker to sign an english document but in general laws and street signs should be written in enlish.

[quote]What you're describing is the government forcing all companies to only hire English-speaking workers. That kind of decision should be made by the free market, not federal law. [quote] It should be illegal to hire some one who hasn't graduated highschool as say for example as a pharmacist who can't even read the documents for the drugs their selling for public saftey. Believe me I'll be irate if I ever encounter a non english speaking pharmacist(And not for cultural reasons). You would never leave it to the free markets in allow mobile alabama to deny black people entry into white owned stores so why allow condecending hispanics hire only spanish speaking waiters for their stores. To me hiring a spanish only staff is sometimes used as an exlusionary tactic certain hispanic owners do to keep out your typical american customers. And It upsets me even more when these same hispanics who are capable of speaking english demand the principles (School principles) of their communities be fluent spanish speakers. Racism is alive and well in certain hispanic communities and they use their language as a way to enforce their racism.

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A person already needs to meet certain qualifications to be a pharmacist. The pharmaceutical industry is apples and oranges to the free market.

"You would never leave it to the free markets in allow mobile alabama to deny black people entry into white owned stores"

A white-owned store denying black people reflects badly on the community it is a part of. If an establishment disallows black people from entering, black people will be pushed away from the entire community... not just that establishment. One store denying black people actually infringes on its neighbors' businesses.

"so why allow condecending hispanics hire only spanish speaking waiters for their stores."

Because it only reflects that individual store, and not the entire community. If a Hispanic-owned store only hires non-English speaking workers, and you as a customer do not approve, once you leave the establishment, you are free of the problem. You would need to see multiple stores of that nature, and if that was the case, the stores are not infringing upon neighboring businesses.

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A person already needs to meet certain qualifications to be a pharmacist. The pharmaceutical industry is apples and oranges to the free market.

And I have to assume reading and writing the language your operating is one of them right?


"A white-owned store denying black people reflects badly on the community it is a part of. If an establishment disallows black people from entering, black people will be pushed away from the entire community... not just that establishment. One store denying black people actually infringes on its neighbors' businesses."

"You would need to see multiple stores of that nature, and if that was the case, the stores are not infringing upon neighboring businesses."

We do see clusters of stores like this on the gulf border areas. Infringment of rights is universal and not based on the volume of offensese in a community by the way, I'm not sure why your being selective in what you think is infringement is. Well actually I suspect its because your selectivity aids your political leanings.

I've seen spanish used as a way to disrespect "gringos" by using a language the target doesn't understand while the community around it laughs at the punch line being delivered in spanish. in person no less. 1st generation hispanics appear to be pretty danm raciest (Ethnic pride they call it, but in reality its the same superiority complex that plagued the US prior to the civil rights movement. I'm sure this cultural built in racism I've observed is an offshoot of the machismo culture that spews out of latin america but it causes them to disparage hispanics that have assimulated in the US. Since assimulated hispanics have assimulated more rational American values that don't constantly engage in dick measuring or stretching excersises with their neighbors hostile 1st generation hispanics view late generation hispanics as easy targets to swing their dicks around.

I don't mind them using spanish in their private lives and I don't have issues with 2 business people dropping to native spanish when they encounter each other, but I do believe it should be mandatory for them to learn english for the purpose of upward mobility (I do want to see economic grows in hispanic communities) but I admit its hard to feel sympathy for a community that is openly hostile to assimulated hispanics and observe the use of spanish as a club over the heads of late generation hispanics and americans in general. This use of spanish is not the inclusive in this regard and some one on the left should recognize why we late generation hispanics don't feel compelled to tolerate it when used in that offensive fasion.



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A store denying race hurts the community it's in. A store hiring non-English speaking workers hurts only the store. That's the answer to your question. If you're a white person and one store hiring non-English speaking workers irritates you to the point where you leave the community, that's on you. If there are multiple stores hiring non-English speaking workers within a community, it's the community you have a problem with, and not the store, which throws your economic argument out the window.

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A store denying race hurts the community it's in. A store hiring non-English speaking workers hurts only the store. That's the answer to your question. If you're a white person and one store hiring non-English speaking workers irritates you to the point where you leave the community, that's on you. If there are multiple stores hiring non-English speaking workers within a community,

Thats not what I said at all. I said it was about exluding english speakers from the exchange of business by hiding behind their language while alot of these passive aggressives have demonstrated they know english. Its a passive aggressive discrimination that exists because the civil rights movements have all banned more direct approaches by law. And your again mis representing me when you talk about my econimic argument which is a disconnected statement from the racism I've been observing. I'm really gettig tired of the left trying to misrepresent the arguments of the right to advance their agenda. No one is falling for that nonsense anymore so stop trying to misframe my arguments. Notice I said arguments as plural.

And I believe I've stated that I'm not white but a late generation hispanic.

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I said it was about exluding english speakers from the exchange of business by hiding behind their language while alot of these passive aggressives have demonstrated they know english.
Again, announcing English as the official language does nothing unless you attach laws to it. And when you attach such laws to businesses, you are calling for those businesses to be regulated by your personal opinion rather than the free market.

So let's say that, in order to avoid your little problem of 'passive aggressive' establishments hiding behind language, employees are now legally obligated to speak English. Oh shit, people who are mute or have incredible speech impediments can no longer work. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. You don't realize it, but you are opening a can of worms by changing the free market to adhere to your personal opinion because it's an opinion you haven't thoroughly fleshed out.

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Again, announcing English as the official language does nothing unless you attach laws to it. And when you attach such laws to businesses, you are calling for those businesses to be regulated by your personal opinion rather than the free market.
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None sense calling for a standard in business is not about opinion but about expanding the scope of commerce. For example I also explained I advocate switching to the metric system as well to ease business transactions with the rest of the world. Plus we get the benifits of easy base 10 conversions. Same goes for language. We already mandate that english be tought 12 years of your life in public schools and we seem to mandate in certain professional positions a non negligent practice of highing educated people to positions that would be dangerous to human life otherwise. And at the very least we seem to show a preference for educated people in the work force in general. Requiring a standard language for commerce has been argued vary well by people other then myself. You just not accepting the logic behind it cause you believe the mandate is exclusionary and worse yet you think this is an attempt at cultural superiority which its not.

Also I'm not advocating anything be done about passive aggressive spanish speaking businesses other then to suggest that the public not attend businesses that can't be bothered to hire people that have even graduated highschool to customer facing positions. I'm merly pointing out that they are using the language barrier to exclude people(I hear alot of these people that previously speaking english dropping to spanish when an upperclass white person enteres the establishment. Like wtf is that about. I don't have sympathy for people that use that barrier as a club to be raciest (I aggree with you dlancer in this regard)just like I don't have sympathy for the white guy getting irate cause 2 native spanish speakers have dropped to native spanish during their business transaction. I advocate adding english as a required (yet non punitive) option to all business transactions. Even if you think this will have no effect (Which I believe it will) why would you block such a measure if you have concluded its ineffective.

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Trump should declare English as the official language of the WORLD!

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i know if he declared it the whole world leaders would follow him,
he is a trendsetter and streets ahead

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Trump barely speaks English himself. The French president has a better command of English than Trump.

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Doesn't matter. Someone has to do it fast... before President Xi declare Chinese as world's official language.

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It really does matter that Trump can't speak English. Neither could Bush 2 for that matter.

English is the world's most popular language. My city gives free English lessons to people. I think that makes more sense than passing a useless law.

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I'd like english to be declared the official language of the united states, but I don't think it shoudl be trump making that announcment. That just would be a disservice to standardizing a language for the nation.

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