I would give President Trump a very solid A. If he can get Obamacare repealed then I'll give him an A+
Greatest US President since Ronald Reagan, keep up the good work by making America great again.
An A? Really? Even if you ignore all his faults, what has he done? He's failed to repeal Obamacare three times now because his replacement was even worse. He's gone all out in support for two big elections in Virginia and Alabama and both candidates lost. He's going back on his promises, like Mexico would pay for his wall. How can you give him an A?
Plus, look at all the bad things he's done. He's a full blown hypocrite when it comes to the military. I mean he hates NFL players kneeling because it's disrespectful, but remember when he mocked John McCain for being a POW? And then proceeded to mock every POW? How about how he outright lied about there being 3 million fraudulent votes, and that Obama wiretapped him? He never produced a shred of evidence for either. How about how he gave his full support to Roy Moore, who besides being an alleged sexual assaulter and pervert, is a genuinely evil human being? How about he refuses to come down hard against f-cking Nazi's, and says many of them are good people?
Have the balls to admit he's had a messed up first year, and acknowledge that he's done a lot wrong.
"Genuinely evil human being", LOL someone needs to call the hyperbole police on you.
The economy is booming, the stock market is soaring, he just passed a huge tax cut for the majority of Americans. My only real complaints about him are he hasn't gotten Obamacare repealed and he is too soft on the Democrats and the media. Other than that he is doing a perfect job. It is so refreshing after the 8 disastrous years of Obama.
You really would defend Roy Moore? Have you seen the things he's said and done? Yes, he is evil. He is full of hate. How can you disagree?
So none of the other things I mentioned about Trump you have a problem with? Not even a small one?
Yes I know all about him and no he does not rise to the level of evil, not even close although Hillary Clinton does who left 4 people to die so the Democrats could win an election.
I told you all of my issues with Trump, he is too moderate for me, I don't think he goes far enough but I will take him over that retarded cunt Hillary Clinton any day of the week.
Really? So saying homosexuality should be illegal isn't evil? Not allowing a mother to see her child because she was a lesbian isn't evil? Claiming 9/11 and Sandy Hook were deserved punishments from God isn't evil? And blaming gays for them isn't evil? And that's without the perverted, creepy behavior. You seriously don't think he even comes close to being evil? Keep in mind he said all gays are inherently evil.
I'm asking if you have any problem with the things I mentioned. Do you not think it was disrespectful to mock POW's? Do you not think defending Nazi's was wrong? I'm not saying you have to support Hillary.
Yeah you can can it with the perverted behavior considering the left felt Clinton did nothing wrong after cheating on his wife while in office and then destroying the character of the women who accused him which was so sexist and misogynistic so that point is debunked. "Claiming 9/11 and Sandy Hook were deserved" were just things that the biased liberal media implied, and while I'm at it Trump didn't even want Roy Moore however once he won the primary he had to support him because one more Democrat in the senate was only going to take the US in the reverse direction. Those seem to only be comments by Roy Moore that you don't like, he wasn't a murderer like Hillary Clinton.
Mocking John McCain I would not have gone there but Trump has done many great things for the country so I am going to let it slide. We need to just let it go, Trump is too big to fail.
You need to lay off the fake news at CNN and MSNBC, they are out to smear and destroy the presidents character and that is treasonous, they all should be locked up for the rest of their lives.
Why do you keep bringing up Clinton? I haven't defended, or even mentioned her once. Her being bad doesn't make Roy Moore good. You seem obsessed with her.
Roy Moore literally said 9/11 was a deserved punishment from God, and said the same about Sandy Hook, because of the gays. He thought a terrorist attack and dozens of children being murdered were deserved. That's not the left, that's a fact.
I would have greatly respected Trump if he refused to back Moore, especially when the perverted and harassing allegations came out. Especially since Jones, the democrat, has to run again in I think two years. It's not like he'll serve a full term, and it's worth it to keep a pervert out of the senate.
Letting it slide is the problem. You don't have to completely withdraw your support but letting the bad he does slide is absurd.
Okay, you realize Trump falsely claimed Obama wasn't born in the US, lied about Obama wiretapping him, and Roy Moore said Obama was a secret muslim, right? How are those not smearing? Are they traitors as well for smearing a president?
Did you vote for her? If you did then you have no right to attack any conservative, period.
As for Sandy Hook he didn't say that they deserved it, he said that the shooter didn't value human life and saw those children as a collection of chemicals which is what atheists believe. Whether you agree with him or not that is very different from what you are claiming.
Trump didn't back Moore initially, he didn't want him to win the primary but after all was said and done the only other alternative was to give the seat to a Democrat and that is far worse. Can it with the sex allegations unless you are willing to denounce Bill, Hillary and every other Democrat who has engaged in similar behavior. I also don't think those allegations were ever confirmed but whatever.
Trump didn't claim Obama wasn't born in the US, he just wanted to see his birth certificate as Obama refused to produce it earlier. If someone is going to be president don't you think we owe it to the people to make sure he is a US citizen? Again it took Obama forever to reveal it and once he did Trump let it go. So being a muslim is a smear? I thought the left didn't believe that.
I didn't vote for her. I haven't said one thing about her. So you can stop acting like I do now.
He said Sandy Hook was deserved because we have forgotten the law of god. Because people aren't as religious anymore, and because gays are embraced, we deserved Sandy hook. In August of this year he also said we have mass shootings, "Because we ask for it". Those are his exact words.
I have never defended Hillary, Bill or anyone else like that. I fully believe Bill Clinton is guilty of the accusations made against him. So no, I won't can it. Unlike you, I'm not a hypocrite. If you condemn Bill, you better condemn Moore too.
And kept it up even when Obama did release it. And what about his outright lie that Obama wiretapped him?
Roy Moore believes Muslims shouldn't be allowed to serve in politics. So by LYING that Obama was a Muslim, he was saying Obama shouldn't be allowed to be president. That is absolutely smearing. So do you think Moore is a traitor?
So are you also going to condemn Hillary who left 4 people to die and also destroyed and assassinated the character of Bill's accusers? By her logic that is sexist and deplorable.
Neither myself or Trump wanted Roy Moore, however he was certainly a better alternative than what we ended up with.
You misrepresented what Roy Moore said, you said that he said the people of Sandy Hook deserved it, not true, he said the killer didn't see the value of human life and suggested that we need to turn to god. I am personally not that religious however I respect his personal beliefs. That doesn't even come close to rising to the level of Nazism as you stated earlier.
Obama should not have been allowed to serve in politics but it has nothing to do with his faith, it has to do with his theology which is radical and dangerous. Just look at what he did to the US economy. You need to stop trying to tie Trump to Moore, Trump didn't want Moore to win the primary, he simply chose the lesser of two evils after the fact.
Again, when did I not condemn her? Why does talking about Moore mean I have to say in the same post, "Hillary did these terrible things"? Whenever you criticize Hillary, do you criticize Roy Moore as well?
I'm taking his exact quotes. He said it happened because we've forgotten the laws of God, and because of the gays. And in 2017 he said we get mass shooting because we ask for it. I have zero problem with religion, but using it justify murder and hatred is despicable. Also, I never said anything about Moore and Nazis. I said Trump said a lot of the Nazis are very fine people. Which is also incredibly insulting to the military. Imagine being a WW2 vet and you see some idiot parade around a Nazi flag, and the president defends it. His fellow soldiers died to bring down that enemy flag.
I'm not tying Trump to Moore about Moore's muslim comments. I'm asking if you think Moore is a traitor for smearing and spreading lies about Obama. And you still refuse to admit Trump smeared Obama by lying that he wiretapped him.
But how is Moore the lesser of two evils? Ignore the sexual accusations for a second. Moore said homosexuality should be illegal and it's inherently evil. As a judge if one parent in a divorce case was now gay, he automatically ruled against them. How is Jones worse than wanting to lock up gays for being gay? Is this Russia?
I just want to make sure you are not engaging in selective moral outrage. If you voted for Hillary then you have no right to attack any Republican because no Republican has ever done anything as low as her. I did not want Roy Moore however he was the lesser of two evils in that case. Doug Jones does not support any restrictions on abortion, he is for infanticide which I have a huge problem with.
He said that the shooter did not have a relationship with god, he said the shooter did not see those children as life, he saw them as a collection of chemicals. I do not agree with that statement, I don't think athiesm causes people to become serial killers, however that is very much different from the way you are misrepresenting him.
I'm not even going to dignify you taking Trump's words out of context as he has condemned the Neo-Nazis on countless occasions, he said there were violent people on both sides and that was the truth as Antifa showed up and started causing even more trouble. Is spinning the truth all you know how to do? You are also taking what Trump said out of context with the wire tapping and until you admit that you took his previous comments out of context I am not going to dignify this with a response
Roy Moore does support putting gays in prison. He was removed as a judge twice for not following the law. He purposely went against any gay parent or spouse in his court. It's fine not to support Jones, but you cannot say Moore is even a tiny bit better.
I must have missed where Antifa was the one who purposely drove into a crowd of people and killed a woman. And before you accuse me, yes I'm aware Antifa has done terrible things. But on that day, the Nazi's were the problem. And no, he has barely come out against them. This is what he should have said, "I condemn any violence no matter what side you were supporting. Violence against protesters is never okay. However, I want to be clear I condemn ANYONE who carries a Nazi symbol. I don't want your support, and I don't consider you to be patriots, I think you're traitors".
That would be condemning Nazis. Not his dinky little hand slap.
You're the one spinning the truth. Trump LIED and said Obama wiretapped him during the campaign. He literally tweeted, "Obama had my wires tapped". You're the one twisting facts. I took nothing out of context, unlike you I'm using actual quotes. He says Obama wire tapped Trump Tower in multiple tweets. Now, can you be a grown up and admit you were wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lZXOIb2o9o
What more do you want?
"To anyone involved in this racist violence, you will be held accountable"
"Justice will be delivered"
"We condemn in the strongest possible terms, this display of bigotry and violence"
"It has no place in America"
"No matter the color of our skin we all live under the same laws we all salute the same flag"
"We must love each other, show affection for each other and we must all unite together in condemnation of bigotry and violence"
"Racism is evil"
"Those who cause violence are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, the Neo-Nazis, white supremicists", etc.
"We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal"
"We are equal in the eyes of our creator and under the law"
Yep those sound like the words of Adolf Hitler. We are not going forward in this discussion until you admit that you lied.
Oh and before you try to say that it took him too long its called he was waiting for all of the facts to come in, he didn't want to experience a "police acted stupidly" blunder like our idiot in chief Barack Obama.
By the way did you ever see Schindler's List (which was a true story). You know that a man who saved 1100 innocent lives carried a Nazi symbol? Are you saying you'd prefer it if those people died?
But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said.
“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”
“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.
Sorry, what were you saying?
Why don't you admit you lied about what Trump said about Obama wiretapping him? And then admit Trump lied.
He condemned the Neo-Nazis, why would you want to condemn people who weren't Neo-Nazis? You do know its possible to be against the removal of a confederate statue and not be a Neo-Nazi right? Plus Antifa needs to be held accountable also, they are the leftist equivalent of the Neo-Nazis.
You said he "barely came out against them", I proved you wrong, admit you lied then we'll move on to your next point.
At the rally, most of the people had Nazi flags. If you march with Nazis' that's despicable. What they should have done was leave once they realized there were so many Nazis and white supremacists and done a different rally. Not join with them. So no, none of them were "very fine people". If he never said the quotes I provided, I'd agree with you. But after he said the things you said, he took ten steps back. So I'll admit he strongly condemned them at first, I was wrong about that. Shame he ruined it by not keeping his mouth shut. Now you can admit you lied.
shareOh so if someone with a Nazi flag shows up you are just supposed to abandon your cause? They are bad people simply because they didn't walk away, that is really painting people with a very broad brush and I thought that the left was against that. He wasn't talking about the Nazis dipshit, he was talking about the people who didn't want the confederate statue removed who weren't Nazis. No I want you to admit you lied, the "very fine people" were not the Neo-Nazis, you intentionally misrepresented Trump. Admit that then we can move on. I have a feeling you won't though because you're a coward.
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Says the poster who refuses to admit he lied about what Trump said about Obama and refuses to admit Trump lied and is a traitor for smearing Obama? You have zero right to call anyone else a coward. Why don't you lead by example and admit your lies?
shareWe will get to that once you admit that you lied about your president.
shareAlso address my point about Schindler's List, would you have rather that Oskar Schindler, a man who wore the Nazi symbol not have saved all of those people? Does he deserve to be condemned? Should the tree he planted be ripped down?
shareOskar Schindler wasn't prejudiced, wasn't anti-semantic, didn't take part in genocide, and saved thousands. He didn't embrace the Nazi ideals. The people carrying the symbol today do. The only people who fly Nazi flags today are racists. There's no defending it. They're also traitors, since they embrace an enemy country that killed thousands of Americans.
shareYou said anyone wearing the Nazi symbol should be condemned, therefore you are against what Schindler did.
The point is you can't paint everyone with such a broad brush, there were people who were members of the Nazi party who did good things (while most did evil things) and there were good people in that crowd (despite some of them not being good).
Trump also never embraced the Nazis, he defended the people who legitimately didn't want the monument taken down who were being smeared by the left wing media.
LOL. And you accuse me of twisting words? I'm talking about today, in parades and rally's. Americans waving around a Nazi flags, who AGREE WITH THE IDEALS OF NAZIS. Schindler didn't. That's the difference. Wearing the symbol was also part of his cover to save the lives. If he came out against them in Germany, he'd never have been able to save anyone. By acting like he supported them, he was able to save thousands of lives because the actual Nazis stupidly trusted him.
shareAnd Trump condemned in the "harshest possible terms" the people in the crowd who were waving Nazi flags. You lied about what Trump said, you need to admit it and you should beg his forgiveness.
Oskar Schindler didn't agree with the ideals of the Nazis, there were people in the crowd who didn't agree with the ideals of the Nazis and were "very fine people" much like how Oskar Schindler "was a very fine person"
You can't talk your way out of this, I am not addressing your point until you admit that you're a liar
shareYou just compared Schindler to people protesting against removing statues of a bunch of traitors. Wow.
You mean like you're trying to talk your way out of admitting you lied about Trump and Obama?
No we aren't moving on until we address the first point. I never said that protesting a confederate statue was on the same level as saving 1100 people. I said that you can't paint a large group of people with very broad brush. The Nazis of the 1940's had some good people such as Schindler, just like the crowd had some good people. Another example of you taking what I said out of context.
shareSchindler wasn't a Nazi. He didn't support them, share their ideals, or help them commit genocide. He worked against them. So no, he wasn't a Nazi.
share"I am a member of the Nazi party, I am a profiteer of slave labor"
And you said "anyone who wears the Nazi symbol"
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005787
Joined the Nazi party in 1939
I totally understand what you're doing here, you are trying to steer the conversation away so you won't have to admit that you lied. Not gonna work.
shareI admitted I was wrong about him never strongly condemning them. But then he walked it back. As I said, if you march with people embracing Nazi ideals, you're despicable. These weren't two separate rallys. They were the same one. Statue defenders marched with the Nazis. If they had decency, they'd have made it clear they wanted nothing to do with the Nazis. Instead they marched with them, side by side.
Oh, and the rally was set up and let by Richard Spencer, a Nazi. Why the hell would you go to a rally set up by him if you disagreed with him?
At that specific rally, everyone on that side was wrong. At other rallys protesting removing monuments, they weren't bad people. But at that one they were.
No, no, no you're going to have to do better than that. You said that Trump said that Nazis were "very fine people" and he didn't. He said that not everyone at the rally was a Nazi, there were some "very fine people" who simply disagreed with the confederate monument being torn down.
shareI've read this entire thread, and I'd like an explanation for why you lied about what Trump said about Obama.
shareI've reread the entire thread as well and I never lied about what Trump said about Obama. I said that I would address the wiretapping claim once he admitted that he lied about Trump.
I have busted this clown 3 times for lying:
A) Saying that Roy Moore said that the victims of Sandy Hook had it coming
B) Saying that Trump said that Nazis were "mostly fine people"
C) Claiming Trump said Obama wasn't born in the US
And this is trivial but he also said Oskar Schindler was never a member of the Nazi party and he said that I compared protesting a confederate monument to saving 1100 lives.
He's trying to duck and dodge here and I am not going to allow that to happen.
Well, now I'm asking you about the wire tapping claim. So explain please. Trump said three times Obama tapped his phones at Trump Tower. That was a lie.
share"..and he is too soft on the media."
lol I'm not sure if this was sarcasm or if you're serious but a day hardly goes by that he doesn't criticize the media in some fashion. If you are serious I'm curious as to what you'd like to see from him to be tougher on the media?
I think he should insult them personally, I think he should go after their families, and if they continue their abuse by spreading lies then I think legal action is necessary.
shareGo after their families how? Does that include children? Does that mean it's okay for people to attack Barron Trump then?
shareIt's not OK to mock Barron Trump because first of all President Trump is putting this country on the right track, he just passed a huge tax cut for the majority of Americans. The liberal media is running a smear campaign and their are actively willing to destroy the US for political reasons. The White House needs to hire people to dig up dirt on the fake news reporters at CNN and MSNBC. If any of them have children who were pregnant as teenagers then Trump needs to call them out for their slutty behavior. If any of them have children with special needs then he needs to say he wants to kick them in the head so hard they are as stupid as their "retard children". Trump needs to know his critics children's grades so therefore if those kids have bad grades in school he can attack CNN and MSBNC for being bad parents. Just a few examples.
By the way I am just basing this off of the way the left treats conservatives.
just curious because I know this is the case with many of Trump's supporters, but do you consider yourself a Christian?
shareThat is not really any of your business.
shareFair enough. I know a lot of Trump supporters (and Trump himself) identify as Christian and that faith would seem to be at odds with your views of kicking people in the head and referring to "retard children" as "stupid." In any case your views are more extreme than people I generally like to have conversations with so I'll bough out now and wish you a good night.
shareRead my comment below, if Trump treated the left the way they treat conservatives that is what it would look like.
shareWell he has insulted several personally. What exactly do you mean by going after their families?
In your opinion, which newspaper is the worst when it comes to spreading lies about President Trump?
He doesn't go far enough, again the fake news and their families need to be insulted and humiliated personally. Their actions are treasonous and they need to be held accountable.
shareSo does Sean Hannity and other people at Fox News deserve to have their families attacked and insulted since they've told numerous lies?
shareSuch as? I watch him just about every night and he is a class act and a legit commentator.
shareAgain I don't actually believe this, however if he was going to treat the left the way they treat conservatives that is what it would look like.
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