A hero? - Bernie Sanders Discussion

[–] slimone (7996) 5 years ago

True! I would vote for anyone who could get Trump out of the White House.

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[–] TearofLys (2643) 5 years ago

Without resorting to the inaccurate and intellectually weak arguments of "he is a racist", or "he is a russian puppet", why do you feel that way? Under Trump, we have record low unemployment *and* wages are rising again for the first time in forever. Before he took office, ISIS was committing terrorist acts in the West at an unprecedented rate (e.g. the Brussels bombing; Copenhagen shootings; Thalys train attacks; Nov 2015 Paris attack; 2015 San Bernadino Attack; 2016 Brussels bombing; Pulse Nightclub shooting; 2016 Bastille Day attack; Ohio State attack; 2016 Berlin Attack; more). In 2019 and so far in 2020 there were ZERO ATTACKS ON WESTERN TARGETS BY ISIS. Why? Let's see - Trump actually let the military attack ISIS (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-moab-mother-of-all-bombs-isis-afghanistan-2017-4 ) and for good measure, took out their leader ( https://www.cbsnews.com/news/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-isis-leader-dead-killed-in-us-raid-in-syria-2019-10-27/ ).

So, he is making us all richer and safer. So tell me, why you want him out of office so badly?

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

lol are you serious right? yes he continued Obamas economic gains, congrats. look at a chart. its a steady arch upwards from when Obama took over from Bush.

yes ISIS was extremely active while Obama was president and near the end were massively crippled by the Russians, Kurds and Syrians. so ya ISIS couldn't project power and do these attacks. why are you associating this with trump in anyway? thank the Kurds, Russians and Syrians.

Lol you do realize Trump doesn't do the intelligence gathering personally right??

ya the intelligence community finally got info on the ISIS leader and trump was leader when they did. and??

Lol man this is "peak republican" thought here. easily dismantled nonsense

lol its like saying "look the IRA hasn't committed any attacks recently! must be because of Boris Johnson!"

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[–] TearofLys (2643) 5 years ago

>economic gains, congrats. look at a chart. its a steady arch upwards from when Obama took over from Bush.

WRONG. Particularly when you look at wage growth. Wages are steadily rising (and it is a statistically significant difference) for the first time since the Clinton administration. That is a direct result of policies that dissuade companies from offshoring jobs or importing cheap labor. These same policies have helped push the unemployment rate to the lowest its been in the modern era.

> yes ISIS was extremely active while Obama was president and near the end were massively crippled by the Russians, Kurds and Syrians. so ya ISIS couldn't project power and do these attacks. why are you associating this with trump in anyway? thank the Kurds, Russians and Syrians.

I don't believe Obama even wanted to cripple ISIS. That's why he played that little game of arming "moderate" rebels that ended up handing over their weapons to ISIS (that's why in every video you saw, ISIS had American weapons). And it is why ISIS was a force until Trump decided to do something about it (see MOABs and killing Baghdadi above). Yes, the Kurds helped, but they don't operate without sayso from us - that came from the top - Trump.

>Lol man this is "peak republican" thought here. easily dismantled nonsense

I'm not a Republican and you didn't dismantle shit.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

https://www.frbatlanta.org/chcs/wage-growth-tracker you are objectively wrong about wage growth. every chart I have seen shows the same. this one shows wage growth up to a max of 3.8% when Obama leaves. peaks at 3,9 in 2016. then drops back downand peaks again at 3.9%

this other one shows almost identical numbers and chart

https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/

please stop letting your feelings get ahead of the facts.

I agree Obama did not want to cripple ISIS they were hurting the USA's enemy syria. no it didn't. the Kurds were operating under Obama as well. and I love how you left out the Syrians and Russians because they were inconvenient. this is how kids and Fox News argue man. lol. bolster and misrepresent the factors and variables that support your argument. ignore the ones that don't.

let me guess conservative or libertarian but not a republican, you just happen to a free with 80% of their policies.

Yet another dismantling.

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[–] cj3333 (1046) 5 years ago

I don't even vote: you didn't dismantle shit.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

hhhahah this your alt account?

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[–] cj3333 (1046) 5 years ago

No, the other person gives way more of a shit than I do. I dont type that much.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

I would vote for a pile of turds before I would vote for Old man socialist Bernie.

His entire philosophy spits in the face of hard work AND the American Dream.

But hey, as long as all of you get your “free shit”, right?

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

lol I suggest returning to high school

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[–] bek (740) 5 years ago

There's no such thing as "free shit." It's calling paying taxes for the common good, and I'd gladly prefer my taxes to go towards universal healthcare rather than imperialism across the world.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

Then move to a country that supports the government spending your hard earned money for you, and pays doctors minimum wage, and see how it goes.

Just because you want to have 90% of your paycheck go to taxes doesn't mean the rest of the country does you socialist weasel. Socialists just love spending everyone else’s money.

You get K-12 for free in this country to get an education. Put on your big boy pants and pay your own college. Maybe pick a major that actually pays something when you get out. Rather than being someone who took liberal arts and are wondering why they can’t find a job, and feel the need to blame everyone else for their problems.

I deal with Medicare. It’s a nightmare. I’m not saying the system we have now works, but Medicare for all would be an abomination. And even now, NOBODY in this country is refused service if they need care. It’s illegal to turn someone away. There are agencies right now that assist people with medical bills. People come from places of socialized medicine to get care and surgery in this country. The system may need fixing, but the quality of care is the top.

Once again, I would vote for a used toothpick over Bernie Sanders, and I just hope with everything that I have that he never gets near the White House. Even if he does, none of his fairytale land ideas would ever get passed anyway.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

jeez its like reading Fox News on steroids here lol. this was too embarassing

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

I never watch Fox News. It’s awful. Just as is MSNBC. Biased garbage. Keep generalizing prick. I can’t stand either political party.

Not nearly as embarrassing as people like you thinking everyone else should pay your way for everything in life instead of you working for it. THAT’S embarrassing.

Fox News on steroids...something someone would say when they have nothing of value to say.

I’m done talking Bernie the socialist. I love movies. This is a movie chat site. I usually don’t get sucked into the political garbage.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

you drive on the roads right? you breathe government tested air right? you have called the firefights or police in your life before? you or your kids attended public school right?

So why is it you sued all these things you think that everyone else should pay for everything in your life instead of working for it. that's embarrassing man. Oh right I forgot for cuckservatives like you social programs are only bad being used by leaches when they don't directly benefit you

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

Cuckservatives? And I’m the embarrassment? You type like a 4 year old.

And you also didn’t read anything I wrote. I can’t stand EITHER political party...I guess for someone who blindly follows like a sheep, you can’t wrap your head around that.

I believe in having police to protect us, and I believe in having firefighters, and people to fix the roads. They are skilled positions that I cannot do and don’t have training for. That helps all of us, and I’m ok with my tax money going to that.

I don’t believe it is my, or anyone else's responsibility, to pay for YOUR healthcare, or YOUR education AFTER K-12, which you already get for FREE from the taxpayers. Have some personal responsibility! Pick a major in college that will allow you to pay off your student loans. Make monthly payments. It’s called sacrifice. You have to make choices with your money, YOU chose to go to college. YOU agreed to pay back your loans before you had a cent of debt. Personal responsibility.

Live a healthy lifestyle, and stop burdening everyone by smoking, eating pizza every night, and sitting on your couch for 16 hours a day.

Screw social security too. I’m responsible enough to put that money that I earn where it needs to go. I don’t want it thrown in a big pot where I’ll never get to see it because of the people who abuse it.

Socialism promotes being a leech, and don’t tell me people don’t abuse all the “free shit” they get. A few years ago at a Walmart, the spending cap system on welfare cards wasn’t working, so all of the welfare recipients loaded their shopping carts with the most expensive things they could buy when the manager of the store said let them all buy their groceries. When the system came back on they abandoned their carts and walked out because they couldn’t afford what they were buying with OTHER PEOPLES’ MONEY.

I’m NOT against helping people, but it should be my choice to do that. You can’t save everyone. Hard fact of life unfortunately.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

yes you are an embarrassment.

"I believe in having police to protect us, and I believe in having firefighters, and people to fix the roads. They are skilled positions that I cannot do and don’t have training for. That helps all of us, and I’m ok with my tax money going to that. "

OHHHHH so you re okay with the socialism you like. why aren't you equally lazy and just wanting others to pay for that for you. you couldn't afford to pay for the highway to be paved yourself.

lol yes no one has personal responsibility because they already have k-12 universal education lol.
"Live a healthy lifestyle, and stop burdening everyone by smoking, eating pizza every night, and sitting on your couch for 16 hours a day."

hahahahahahah what are you talking about?

"Socialism promotes being a leech, and don’t tell me people don’t abuse all the “free shit” they get. A few years ago at a Walmart, the spending cap system on welfare cards wasn’t working, so all of the welfare recipients loaded their shopping carts with the most expensive things they could buy when the manager of the store said let them all buy their groceries. When the system came back on they abandoned their carts and walked out because they couldn’t afford what they were buying with OTHER PEOPLES’ MONEY."

lol thanks for your anecdote. must mean all social programs are useless.

so yet again Leech. stop using the roads. stop supporting the military. start doing your own water, air and food quality checks. I am tired of you being coddled and expecting others to do this for you! its theft of my tax dollars!! also contruct your own roads and transportation network!

yet another embarrassing cuckservative who has read two libertarian books and has all the answer.

oh why are you using the internet? it was created as part of a private/ government research product! you damn leeches! its disgusting how you want my tax dollars paying for everything

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

yet another embarrassing cuckservative who has read two libertarian books and has all the answer.

I saw this quote from you on a couple other posts on this site. Must be your go to insult. It’s laughable that you copy and paste insults, and the changing of conservative to “cuckservative”, man...you must be a genius with that clever one.

YES, I’m happy to pay into the social programs I feel pay the people who train and do the jobs that I cannot and are a benefit to the safety of the country. There is allowed to be a gray area...for extremists like yourself that will be tough to understand. There is a line for everyone. I’m allowed to agree with and disagree with where my tax dollars are going. Police, Fire, Roads, military...yes. YOUR college, YOUR healthcare, no.

You know what they say, give them an inch, and they’ll take a mile. You’d be happy with 98% of your paycheck going to abused social programs for people who have no personal responsibility, I would not. That’s why you vote for socialists running for president (especially hypocritical ones with 3 mansions...spread the wealth Bernie, or just keep hoping your cult of followers will continue to turn a blind eye to your hypocrisy), and I look to the people will allow me to keep as much as I can of what I earn to enjoy life.

You don’t read anyone’s posts, you are basically a robot throwing out the same garbage. You aren’t worth another second of my time. You’re a pathetic extremist who is part of a mass cult who is hell bent on destroying the American Dream, and you enjoy stealing other people’s hard earned wealth to pay for everyone else to abuse social programs, like some sort of dipshit Robin Hood. You have no interest in compromise, or working together with people who have differing opinions to solve problems, you just like to change political words around like you’re clever.

I pay to use the internet, with my own money, that I earned working for a living. Try it.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

""You know what they say, give them an inch, and they’ll take a mile. You’d be happy with 98% of your paycheck going to abused social programs for people who have no personal responsibility,"

lawl. another embarrassing comment. yes you are a cuckservative. you've just admitted to stalking my other comments you sad beta.

again why are you leeching? you and your kids (if you have any) went to public school? why am I paying for you and your leech family

hahaha yes as a slightly left winger im an extremist. as an embarrassing libertarian you are not.

please save face and stop commenting

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

How many pathetic internet insults do you use on a daily basis. They’re cracking me up, in a “cringey”, embarrassing way.

Reading an entire conversation that you have posted in isn’t stalking in my book, it’s just reading a conversation taking place on this site that you happen to be a part of, but I can tell you like to play the victim, so call it whatever you want.

I wonder if, in your entire life, you’ve ever admitted to being wrong about anything. I’m guessing not.

Yes, you are an extremist, and yes, you continue to avoid the main points of anything I’m saying, and choose to spin the discussion into weird wannabe political insults. You and politics deserve each other. You fit right in with all of the other politicians.

I’m gladly going to stop commenting. I’ve lost too many brain cells chatting with you anyway. I think I’ll have a beer instead. It’s much more entertaining than reading the extremist garbage that you spew up in a discussion.

Have a good one. And best of luck in your quest to make hard work obsolete, electing people who will give the most free handouts, and your main goal...destroying the country and the American Dream.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

so again. why are you a leech? I could explain the whole argument of why it makes no sense that socialism you like is good. even though others who may not like that certain program or even use it yet are forced to pay into it to function (ie the roads and schools) because that is how society works.

but you seem to lack the basic mental functions to form coherent arguments let alone understand them.

lol yes a centre lefty is an extremist. a low iq libertarian isn't. hahhahahahahaha.

I am really embarrassed for you man. Did you read atlas shrugged once and now know everything? yes calling you out for stalking my other posts is playing the victims.

see this is what happens when libertarians hit the wall of reality and facts and definitions.

thank god this isn't public on Facebook. I bet your family just facepalms every time you open your mouth. "damnnn socialist leeches!!!!!!!! hold on im going to go drive on the socialist roads past the socialist cops protecting me"

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[–] bek (740) 5 years ago

"I don’t believe it is my, or anyone else's responsibility, to pay for YOUR healthcare, or YOUR education AFTER K-12, which you already get for FREE from the taxpayers."

Didn't you just say you get Medicare? If it's so bad, just throw that shit away and pay for your own. Why do I have to pay your hospital bills??

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

I’m 36 years old. No, I don’t “get” Medicare. I do pay for my own healthcare through my employer. I’m paying into Medicare with each paycheck too though, so when I’m old and sick, I’m sure I will use it. These things are not my choice, it’s the way the system is run, so that’s what I’ll use when I’m an old man.

You aren’t paying anything for me, so piss off.

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[–] bek (740) 5 years ago

You said you "deal with Medicare." Are you living off the government teat as a government employee, then?

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

Nope, I deal with Medicare for work. One of the types of reimbursement I get for working with some of the elderly population. Medicare always makes things very difficult. I couldn’t imagine everyone having it. It would be a nightmare.

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[–] bek (740) 5 years ago

So it's better to have no way to cover bills? What about the working poor who have nothing?

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

They have Medicaid.

I’m done discussing this. I don’t know why it took you 2 months to respond to all of this.

Glad Bernie is almost out of it. Anybody but him. Hopefully his cult starts to really think about the impossible fairytale ideas he was talking about, and they start to grow up, or at least move away to a country that supports their “free shit for everybody” mentality.

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[–] bek (740) 5 years ago

You're ridiculous. I didn't respond to it two months ago because I didn't read it two months ago, obviously.

As far as Bernie's "fairy tale free shit for everybody", what do you think we do now? I won't see a dime from this coronavirus check everyone else is going to get, but I'm not whining about it. That's how our country works. We should be more selective about how our tax dollars are spread around. Healthcare for all would be a wonderful thing, and it certainly is possible, as made evident by numerous other nations.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

Please move to these “other nations.” You’ll be happier there in a country more in line with your belief system.

Your entire rebuttal to everything I wrote about the loss of innovation, the quadrupled wait times, people actually coming from Canada to the US for elective surgeries...was “healthcare for all (aka Medicare for all, aka socialized medicine) would be a wonderful thing”.

Thank god Bernie will never get near the presidency. His psychotic descendant AOC is pissed because illegal immigrants aren’t getting stimulus money. The fact that these people actually have supporters baffles my mind.

Anyways, take care. I’m done with this conversation.

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[–] bek (740) 5 years ago

"Pay your own college?" LOL

I paid for mine. It cost me about $4k out of pocket total for 4 years. Now I'm paying for my daughter, and her first year cost me $25k out of pocket. She's about to graduate, and her debt alone is $45k. That sort of pricing is unaffordable for most people. Something has to change.

It's not illegal to turn someone away. It's only illegal is they're about to die RIGHT NOW. If they have cancer or any other terminal illness... too bad. Is that what you want from your country? That's not what I want.

I'm not blaming anyone else for the expenses, but I sure will blame you people if college and health care expenses continue to climb and we do nothing about it. That will be the fault of people like you.

And nobody has proposed 90% taxes, btw. Nobody.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

Personal responsibility will never exist to socialists. It’s unbelievable.

If 45k is unaffordable...don’t go. Do something else. I say again, it should not be the responsibility of the taxpayer to pay YOUR child’s college education, or YOUR healthcare. That should be YOUR (or your child’s) responsibility.

Yeah, it’s all my fault. Sorry. It must be 2020...blaming your problems and your responsibilities on everyone else. The old Bernie cult slogan...”what can your money do for me!”

My father had terminal cancer, WITHOUT insurance, and was treated. He was not turned away, kicked out, or told to go die. Shove that argument right up your ass. I actually lived that one.

I really am done talking about this now, most people were smart and avoided the socialists discussion on here. Always want a hand in your pocket for something. There’s nothing better than talking about how to spend everyone else’s hard earned cash.

But in all honesty, take care of yourself, and I hope everything works out for you. I do mean that. Just because I disagree with someone doesn’t mean I wish them any ill will. I like the discussion. Sometimes there are no easy answers. Regardless of what that last moron before you kept preaching over and over.

Have a good night.

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[–] bek (740) 5 years ago

I do take personal responsibility... that's why I paid my kid's college. I'll be damned if I have her working a shit job at a convenience store when she's got so much more potential.

So what's your solution for the rising cost of education... we just have more uneducated and stupid people? That is not a reasonable solution.

You got lucky... my father had terminal cancer, too. If he hadn't had insurance, he wouldn't have been treated at all, so shove that right back up your ass. I don't know how your father got free treatment, but that's not typical.

I want to hear your health care solution, which I suspect is... no solution.

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[–] sut6432 (2908) 5 years ago

My solution to the rising cost of education is...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Choose a major that allows you to get a successful job and pay back your loans...and if you can’t to that, DON’T GO TO COLLEGE. Then you have no loans to pay back. Very simple solution. Or maybe have those indoctrinating hippie college professors take a pay cut? Or just focus on essential courses to complete your degree? I had to take anthropology for a business degree to be considered a “full time student”. Made no sense. Ultimately, it should be no one else’s responsibility to pay for your college except your own.

So what's your solution for the rising cost of education...we just have more uneducated and stupid people? That is not a reasonable solution.

So you’re basically saying K-12 provides no education? Then why have it? If you’re stupid after K-12, I don’t think college is going to help you much.

My father was taken in with leukemia, treated with the doctors KNOWING he had no insurance, but thankfully two weeks later my Mom was able to add him to her insurance. But there is no way in hell they would just say “go back home and die.” That’s against the law, insured or not. No one is denied life saving medical care.

It’s not my job to come up with a health care solution, and I don’t begin to know what the answer is. I just know Medicare for all is a horrible idea, and will decrease the level of care in our country. The costs are out of control, but the innovation and level of care in this country is second to none. We have some brilliant minds working on treatments, surgeries, and cures that people could only dream about. Socialized medicine destroys that. It destroys innovation, creativity, and just focuses on cutting costs and following basic general procedures. You think waiting for an MRI takes a long time now??? Give socialized medicine a try, and wait 3 years for a simple test or MRI. Many people from Canada come here to have surgeries.

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[–] TearofLys (2643) 5 years ago

What has he done that makes him a hero? His ideas aren't new. Just repackaging an ideology that has repeatedly failed. The DNC stabbed him in the back in 2016, and what did he do? He got down on his knee and kissed their ring. Is that what heroes do? Don't be shocked when they do it again this year and Bernie again kisses the ring like the good little lap dog he is.

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[–] liscarkat (18410) 5 years ago

Sanders is a steaming pile who wants your money. But I'm not worried because he's never going to be president.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

ya because that billions and billions dollar deficit by Trump isn't your money? not its make out of unicorns and magic!

do your kids get affordable education? do you get affordable healthcare??

nah trumps buddies and the wlieahty got tax cuts and corporations got that money though lol

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[–] Burk48917 (11365) 5 years ago

Who do you think pays for "affordable" education and healthcare? Those things don't get suddenly cheaper to produce or magically cost less. They are going to tax the shit out of you, and none of it will work anyway, which is historically the outcome of pretty much anything the government runs into the ground by being involved.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

lol really they are taxing the shit out of you to pay for your kids education are Harvard? and you have universal healthcare in your state? please show me which one that is

its not about "magically getting cheaper". its about funding priorities. money is limited. so when you make make cuts to any sort of educational help, yet increase spending on the military, do subsidies for corporations and let them like amazon get away with paying no taxes. then people will suffer and the rich will do great

lol settle down kid. you clearly don't know what you are talking about

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[–] Burk48917 (11365) 5 years ago

Hahaha, your calling me a kid, yet you're supporting a fucking socialist. You clearly have NO understanding of economics, or you are some loser who doesn't own anything or make much money, hence you want the handouts.

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[–] JlawsANormlHuman (847) 5 years ago

Yes someone who wants a mixed market economy with some social programs. you know, like the rest of the developed world?

hahahaha I guarantee I make more than you. also its shown many of these programs improve economic productivity by allowing people to work without worrying about crippling health care bills. meanwhile the government gives out billions in corporate socialism but of course there isn't a peep about that from republicans. you do realize trump is running 1 trillion dollar (higher than Obama) deficits right?

you've clearly read two conservative or libertarian books and you think you understand the word. your childlike understanding doesn't seem to just end at healthcare but economics and political system.