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J.K. Rowling’s Support of Researcher Fired for Being Anti-Trans Sparks Backlash


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Supporters of trans rights have always argued on the basis of gender and pointed out how it's separate from sex. They call themselves "transGENDER" after all.

But now it appears they actually believe that biological sex can be changed and expect science to conform to their delusion. The world is getting crazier by the day.

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I don't really know anything about all of this or what has been said, but I do know someone who was born intersex - she says she hit the trifecta when she was born: she was born a Louisiana Cajun, intersex and with male chromosomes, meaning she'll whoop your ass if you mess with her - and she has always considered herself to be totally a woman, and not something 'other' simply because she could never give birth and has to take hormones to 'appear' female, like male-to-female transgenders do as well.

Also, I totally believe her when she says being born intersex is as common as someone being born a red-head, but the difference is usually intersex people don't come out and tell people their history since they've always lived as the gender they are, so you don't normally hear about it, which makes it seem rare. I knew her from years ago in the gay bars when she would date lesbians and transsexuals, but she also now speaks openly about being intersex on her Facebook page.

I wonder why people never criticize her saying she isn't a true, genetic woman like a 'real' woman that can menstruate and give birth? Just a question.

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A person who is intersex is suffering from a genetic disorder like albinism. It's not like being born with red hair. It's why no one has a problem considering her a real woman. Just as we would consider an albino of African or Asian descent a "black" or "Chinese/Korean/etc.", we would consider an intersex person male or female depending on their most prominent or recognizable traits.

Also, I totally believe her when she says being born intersex is as common as someone being born with a red-head, but the difference is usually intersex people don't come out and tell people their history since they've always lived as the gender they are, so you don't normally hear about it.


This is not true. Before the transgender craze of today, there was the intersex craze of the 1990s and 2000s. This was a period when tons of people born in the 1930s and 1940s started coming out of the woodwork appearing on national talk and news programs talking about how doctors had either mutilated them at birth or parents had forced them to "pick a gender" growing up. Here are some links:

20/20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9isjj-Rj1u0
Oprah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9a1rXOpIuc

The reason why you don't hear from or about intersex people anymore is that transactivists erased them by laying claim to their identity and experiences. For example, you may be hearing a lot of transactivists ranting right now that gender doesn't exist at birth, that the doctors assigns it. This is literally transactivists hijacking the narratives of 1930s and 1940s intersex people whose doctors had performed plastic surgery on them. So what's going to happen is that over time, people will associate this "picking gender at birth" thing more with the transgender experience than intersex, to the point where the intersex will further be marginalized in favor of transgender identity.

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You know, all those people attacking her were created by a male and female having sex.

You can’t have it any other way. This world is indeed going down the toilet when scientific fact is tossed out the window for an emotional agenda that conforms to stupidity over common sense.

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How bigoted.

You can't change your biological sex? That's transphobic!

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Ah the left eating their own, how surprising...not.

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An Alt Right partisan hack trotting out the "left eating their own" canard in response to five morons on social media causing a ruckus. How surprising. Not.

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More like 5 million. And tons of popular "news" sites.

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The real canard here is you labeling people "alt right", get a grip not everyone who disagrees with your insanity belongs to that group.

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Well, you are an Alt Righter. This is their go-to phrases. If you don't want to be called one, stop trotting out the Alt Right canards that they've been trotting out for the past 10 years already.

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Your ilk calls everyone they disagree with an "Alt Right" or "Nazy" which has essentially made the thing meaningless.

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Ha... oh dear.

"What do you mean I can't have a baby!? That means I'm not really a woman, just a guy with a mutilated penis!!" - Ms (Mr) Garrsion

South Park nailed it years ago. :)

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As I posted above... I know someone who was born intersex, and has always lived as a female, but she can't give birth either but does consider herself a woman, despite what someone like you might think.

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I would say your friend is the rare case of legitimately "transsexual" - e.g. intersex. A person whose chromosomes, genitals, hormones etc make them not male nor female but indeterminate. I'd say someone like that reserves the right to identify as male or female as they see most fit, if only to resolve situations where they must be one or the other. But I'd also say considerations should still be made beyond their own self-identification. Like sports, for example, where she'd have a clear advantage over wholly genetic women.

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That is not what a transsexual is.

A transsexual is a man or a woman who decides to dress and live as the opposite sex. They are not intersex.

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Like sports, for example, where she'd have a clear advantage over wholly genetic women.


Except you could say the same about genetic women that can beat white women, like tennis player, Serena Williams, who is black, and most lesbians regardless of their race that could beat whiny, white heterosexual women. TRUTH! A lot of white, heterosexual women are looking for a scapegoat... probably because they're losers, especially in sports.

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That's a different argument. I don't think anyone has a problem with bigger, stronger women winning women's sports. It's about wholly or predominantly genetic men claiming a place in women's sports.

And I'm aware of the traditional definition of transsexual. What I can't accept is the current in-vogue extension of that definition going beyond dressing/living as the opposite and insisting one actually is the opposite and demanding to be recognized as such.

Men can be effeminate, and women masculine, and that's fine; men and women can be homo or bisexual and that's fine; they can dress in drag and - though I personally find it questionable - it's fine. But claiming they actually are the opposite - that's not biology, but psychosis, and a dangerous thing to normalize.

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As I posted above... I know someone who was born intersex, and has always lived as a female, but she can't give birth either but does consider herself a woman, despite what someone like you might think.


Did he say that your friend couldn't be a woman? Where did he say that?

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LOL, I have you on Ignore.

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Thanks. I can add you to my ignore list, too. Goodbye.

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Well that was unwise.

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