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I am all for respecting people rights to do what they want, but ...

posted 4 years ago by brux (14724)
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and I would never interfere or discriminate towards anyone because of their choices to do what they want with their lives and their bodies, assuming they are not hurting anyone else.

But, the question that comes up for me is, why does it seem to be frowned upon, or not allowed for someone to express their feelings about someone's decisions. Does everyone have to like, or love, everyone else all the time, and if so what kind of BS pretend world have we made for ourselves.

Me, without really knowing anything about Jenner, the family, the circumstances, it just seems creepy and weird, and is it OK to say that in a clumsy way that is not meant in malice? For instance, perhaps it is that I just do not understand this persons's life and journey that brought them to these decisions? If I did maybe I would at least be able to more relate something about them to my own life and experiences. Maybe? ;-)

So there are a few things we might want to be aware of:
1. How the way we express ourselves is received by other people.
2. Being polite or respectful to other people is not a loss of freedom ... what kind of freedom would that be, the freedom to be an asshole?
3. All of us seem weird or "other" to other people when we first meet them, so should we be more active towards creating norms that allow that process to happen more smoothly? ( for example, the ancient warriors developed the wave and handshake to show they were not a threat to others ... they say )

Why does everything these days seem artificially tuned to provoke the worst reactions between people which then ripple outward affecting others in a chain reaction of negativity precisely at the time we should understand that we need to get along?

[–] ProductionNow (1072) 4 years ago

You're asking why everybody cannot do whatever they wish, without considering the effect it has on society as a whole. Jenner is a symbol of that. It's not about him/her being evil or affecting every single one of us personally in our daily lives, but there are others who would be influenced by something that is a threat to those who are too vulnerable to everything they see and hear. This is not to lumped in the same category as homosexuality, for example; that is a different dynamic. We all could say that our decisions, and how we express ourselves, are to be respected and our right to freedom, but then it would turn into a case of selective-reasoning, hypocrisy, and anarchy. Why do you think some parents are actually enabling and encouraging that their 6 yr olds has decided he/ she is transgender; watching people like Jenner. That is a very dangerous path. As much as people have the right to express themselves, there are others who have the right to not accept it--without it falling into a case of bigotry or a phobia. The reality is that none of us are respectful to everyone we meet, whether we have the self-awareness to know it or not. And it isn't anything new.

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

> You're asking why everybody cannot do whatever they wish, without considering the effect it has on society as a whole.

I appreciate that maybe you have something you want to say on "that" issue. but that is not what I said. I guess it is a thin line, but I appreciate people who actually engage in dialog or respond to what I said rather that just dump their own thoughts and opinions outside of that context.

>> The reality is that none of us are respectful to everyone we meet, whether we have the self-awareness to know it or not.

I think if you do not understand what I said earlier you are in no position to be the arbiter of reality.

[–] ProductionNow (1072) 4 years ago

you ''appreciate'' a lot, huh. Let's see: ''engage in dialogue" means to speak/talk, right?
Just be yourself, sport.

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

Nah, you have nothing to say ... ignored.

[–] AndyKing1967 (38076) 4 years ago

I am ambivalent about what this person decides to do with their life, as it has no relevance to me.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 4 years ago

I respect everyone's life choices even though I don't agree with anything beyond LGB. Maybe more time is needed for me to adjust to those types of folks but I just see it as devolving into degeneracy. My only issue is if they demand/force me to address them with whatever random thing they picked for themselves IF I had to address that person as a he/she/whatever which is a very rare case when I meet people as conversations don't usually start out with gender addressing.

[–] PersistentViewer (2377) 4 years ago

I read somewhere Bruce received a ton of money to turn into a woman. Cannot remember the source. But it was legit. Wish I could remember.

[–] chilone (17864) 4 years ago

So when is he going to turn into a woman?