If a human being is passed out, drugged, in an alcoholic stupor, drunk, asleep, unconscious, incapacitated, dead and any other form of handicap to them giving consent then it is NOT okay to molest them.
It doesn't matter if they accepted the drink or drugs out of your hands or took them before you laid eyes on them. You can't fuck someone who can't consent!
Obviously. Problem is, most of the people posting support of Cosby’s innocence are convinced the sex with Constadt was consensual and that this army of women and those who testify that years ago when it happened they heard their stories are all liars who just want to hang a black man just for fun. When you bring up that 20% of his accusers are black they ignore that fact. They side step all of the facts that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it’s ridiculous to believe he’s innocent.
Then there are the psychos who hate women, well, most of his supporters hate women, but the unapologetic misogynists say that she was a gold digger who is to blame for getting raped, for men are sooooooo sexual. The misogynists maintain that all men are rapist animals by nature and women should know that. Ugh.
But, but, there's no PROOF they were passed out or incapacitated!!! I know this is difficult to believe, but there's NO FOOTAGE of it! Not a single frame. Not even an audio recording [no]
There probably are videos from hidden cameras that Cosby won’t cough up. Many rapists take trophies to keep reliving their crimes.
Cosby was laughing in court as his victims relived their trauma. They were being revictimised and he was reliving his sadism.
No way of knowing for certain one way or the other, so it'd only be speculation, but it sounds damned stupid for any criminal to video tape their crimes.
I know he took the whole situation while he was giving his deposition as a joke. He has no remorse.
Stupid for sure but he was nearly invincible for decades. I think he still thought it was a joke right through the retrial given how he was laughing and mocking his victims in court. I think his entire team was banking on having at least one kuku, pepperminthippo, or thrillhouse on the jury, especially given the scorched earth tactics of their closing arguments in which they called his rape victims a bunch lying, scheming sluts.
They were wrong.
Regardless, there's no way of knowing if he recorded anything.
I agree he thought it was a joke, or that he thought pretending to think so would work to his advantage.
Thrillhouse is here? I put him on ignore shortly after he turned up on MC because he was so obviously trolling, right from the start.
I thought it was hilarious that Cosby's defense team were scrambling so hard, they were reduced to trying to float the idea that Cosby wasn't even around Philly at the time of the assault, even though Cosby himself admitted that yes, she'd come over to his house and they'd met, when she said they had. There was never any question about that. It was a weak Hail Mary to attempt to say the statutes of limitation had run out.
You’re right of course. There is no way of knowing if there is footage of his crimes. It just wouldn’t surprise me if there was.
BTW - when I post from my phone on long threads it’s formatted one word at a time so I post one character and use the edit feature to see clearly.
Yes, that was pathetic of them and clearly as you say, a Hail Mary. They were trying to make it seem as though this encounter occurred before a certain time since the statute of limitations had come so close to running out.
It was as if they, his own defence team were saying: well suppose he did commit these crimes? It doesn’t matter. They happened too long ago to prosecute him for them.
It was one attempt after another by them to get these charges dismissed, which strongly suggested to me that they were hoping for at least one biased juror who would vote not guilty no matter what. Again, no way to read people’s minds and this is speculation on my part.
I don’t know if Pep. Hippo is still around. He was on another thread as recently as last weekend. I hope he is just a troll as opposed to a rapist sympathiser/misogynist.
My impression of Thrillhouse is that he's just really dumb, as I've seen him say some really stupid things that most normal human beings would be embarrassed to say, even trolls, because of how stupid it would make them look. Trolling requires a certain awareness of what they're doing. I don't get that impression from Thrillhouse, I just have the strong sense that he's genuinely not the sharpest tool in the drawer. Quite the opposite he's probably the dullest. His intellect maxes out at about the level of an australopithecus, and that's being sort of generous.
sharelol.I agree and feel the same about kuku and pepperminthippo. All three make things up and seem to expect to be believed even though it’s obvious to everyone else that many of the other posters know 1,000 times more on the discussions.
Also, if I remember correctly all three of them have claimed that because most of the accusers took years to come forward that PROVES they are lying. When I pointed out the science of Dr. Ziv’s testimony about the confusion and trauma experienced by rape victims they all ignored it. They ignored how she testified that none of the behaviour of any of the accusers was at all out of the ordinary. When we pointed out how most of the women aren’t asking for money and never did they ignore. When it’s pointed out that numerous people who had been told of the assaults back when they happened they blather on that there’s no proof of it so it doesn’t count. But they’re not looking for money or fame. They testified and maybe did one interview and that’s it. They want to hang a black man. But some of them are black men. Ignore. We have no proof in spite of the testimony of an army of people including Cosby’s where he states that he commonly used sleeping pills so strong that they were banned in the US to get women to have sex with him. We have a recorded phone call with Constadt’s mother in which he admits he is a dirty man and it took Andrea to “stop him.” In same call he tried to offer them hush money. He eventually paid Constadt 3.38 million dollars for something he claims he didn’t do. Yet when Autumn Jackson tried to extort him he called the police and she went to prison. But he caves for Constadt? It makes no sense. There are his Spanish Fly comedy bits. That’s fiction, not proof! But it proves he think rape is funny as does the fact that he laughed in court as his victims sobbed and relived their trauma. That’s no evidences! That’s not proof! But traumatised rape victims not coming forward out of fear of being smeared, which they still endure is real proof that he never raped anyone.
Hey, don't you be dogging australopithecus!
Trolls come in all flavours, including Dumb as Rocks.
That's actually a great point. There are dumb as rocks trolls, and they suck at trolling because they're too stupid to consider they should stop doing what they suck at. If Thrillhouse is one of those, then I don't feel so bad about constantly making fun of how dumb he must be when he posts. I thought maybe I should ease up on the kid, then I read his posts and realize all over again that he deserves to be clowned hard. 😂
shareI'll bet there is or was!
shareHave you ever seen Sleeping Beauty 2011?
shareI haven't.
shareApparently, according to the movie, there are people who are willing to give kinks like complete control of their bodies whilst unconscious to others.
I'm not saying that is the case here, just that prior consent for the provisions you established within the OP can occur.
Generally speaking though, it's well wrong.
Interesting. Dangerous stuff, in terms of people being unable to withdraw consent if a life threatening scenario occurred. Also the consent would have to be recorded in advance. Not sure where the law would stand on this.
I wonder what is in it for the unconscious person? Literally nothing seems to be the answer, except perhaps to please a sexual partner by doing something so degrading.
Er, except for the small detail that Sleeping Beauty was fiction. You know, made up and all!
"Director and writer Julia Leigh originally based the idea she had for the film on a recurring nightmare she had that someone was watching her while she slept."
Your reply was to me Cat, did you mean it to be to Jimmy?
shareNo, I meant reply to you because it looked like you were taking what Jimmy said about the movie seriously, as though it was based on fact :)
shareAh ok.
I know what fiction means, I didn't really need the "You know made up and all!"😊
As I mentioned to Jimmy, I haven't seen the film and was blissfully unaware of it's very existence until this morning. The author indeed cites her own dream experiences and according to Wikipedia " She also noted the phenomenon of images of sleeping girls on some of the fetish websites"
A little googling tells me that such a fetish does exist-Somnophilia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnophilia
I don't think Jimmy meant to suggest that any of Cosby's victims were willing participants, more drawing my attention to the fact that such a fetish exists and that there may be willing participants. A peculiar form of prostitution I'd guess.
Heh, that part was just me joking around. I know you know what fiction means! 😄
I have seen it. A creepy movie to be sure, but well done. I hadn't read about the sleeping women on fetish sites. Seems like somnophilia is a close relative of necrophilia, as far as the motivations of the fetishists.
In the film, it is a strange form of prostitution. As you'd imagine, things go terribly wrong.
I may just pass on that movie.
I'm thinking Bill might well be a somnophiliac though!
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