How can anyone still think he's innocent? - Bill Cosby Discussion

[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

a number of those women came forward in the 90s and 00s and no one really listened to them

Well, actually that's the main problem. Those women DIDN'T came forward in the 90s and 00s, but in 2014 and 2015, when it became a popular trend. So many abuses and they didn't say anything until a couple of years ago?. That's odd.

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[–] Switchstar (412) 7 years ago

That's not accurate. He's been accused for decades by women.

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

Here you have an article. The accusations came all from the 2014-2015 range.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-bill-cosby-timeline-htmlstory.html

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[–] TJLamb0518 (3316) 7 years ago

Then why was there an earlier deposition that was "revealed" during the first trial?

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 7 years ago

"Barbara Bowman is one of 13 Jane Does giving depositions or statements in support of Andrea Constand, a Temple University employee who brought a suit against Cosby. She is identified in 2006 by a local Philadelphia magazine and tells her story to other publications."

Incorrect, just using the article you linked to. Andrea Constand's suit, BTW, was in 2005. Within a year, several of the Jane Does stepped forward and went public with their stories. No one listened, and it was hushed up.

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

Are you kidding me?

So some guy in some magazine said that she told him years ago. That's not coming forward years ago. That's some journalist telling some story.

And no, "Jane Doe" is not going public. "Jane Doe" is NOTHING, it's some anonymous story that can even have been made up by the journalist and now agreed to assign to whatever person is suitable.

Coming forward is coming forward with you name and surname. Are you afraid of being blacklisted? Then record it and keep it safe, there's ways to do it.You could record yourself at that time reading your testimony, or you could write it and keep in a bank vault, which can guarantee it hasn't been accessed. And surely there's more ways.

But a f*cking Jane Doe story? This is a bloody joke.

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 7 years ago

Did you miss that 14 women came forward with their allegations to take the stand in court in 2005? 13 Jane Does, plus Andrea Constandt.

You also missed that those several Jane Does *did* come forward with their full names. That's what "stepping forward" (i.e. going public) means.

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[–] crc32 (2584) 7 years ago

I only know of one case from the early 2000s. Woman need to come forward early. Do you really think no one would have listened back then? Why are they all of a sudden listining now. And you really need evidence not just testimoney. I bet nearly all the woman in question coulden't even remember the date they were attacked allegedly attacked.

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

It would not be odd either even if it was accurate. kuku doesn’t care much for factual details. He never even heard of Dr. Ziv, let alone read her testimony. When I pointed it out to him, he ignored it as he knows at least enough to foresee that it shoots down his favourite arguments.

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[–] atarofker (344) 7 years ago

Because women are idiot

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[–] MovieManCin2 (26342) 7 years ago

I don't think anyone does.

😎

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[–] FredBurroughs (22266) 7 years ago

How can there be any doubt when Cosby himself remorselessly admitted that he committed the "alleged" rapes during his own testimony?

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

He didn't. Check the original source. What he said was that he brought drugs and he gave (consensual) to his partner.

I've done the same, as anyone who mixed sex and weed in his 20s or 30s.

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[–] FredBurroughs (22266) 7 years ago

So you've raped women whom you intoxicated? Cool story, bro. Aside from that, what might be your agenda in defending a convicted sex offender?

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

I see.

So now women CAN'T smoke a joint and have sex. No matter they do it because they choose, it's rape. And since they give consent but that consent it's not valid, it makes it some kind of statutory rape.

Fair enough. I'm a dirty nasty nazi rapist.

However, I'm just thinking... as adult women are now to be considered as minors when it comes to drugs, how that works? Do they need a written permission from their father to smoke some joint? Maybe from her husband? I can imagine a woman going to buy some marijuana in the near future:

- Could you give me a couple of grams of Jack Herer?
- You identity card, please?
- Here you have.
- Oh, I'm sorry, you're a 30 years old woman. You're a minor. Do you have some permission from your father or husband?
- I'm no married, and my father don't want me to smoke joints.
- Then I'm afraid I can't give you drugs. That would be rape. You will need to convince your father, or to marry and get a permission from your husband.
- Oh.
- But I can sell you a burka with the inscription "I'm an empowered woman".
- Oh, thank you, that's wonderful. I feel empowered!

Isn't it beautiful how the world advances? :-)

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[–] bohemianroxie (2478) 7 years ago

Kuku..I know what you're saying. I'm a woman and I know what rape is...and I know what it isn't. It isn't getting mutually intoxicated and mutually consenting to having sex and kinda wishing later on that you hadn't..A woman still bears some responsibility. And sometimes a guy might kinda wish later on he hadn't too.
Don't drink so much if that tends to be happening.

A lot of what's going on these days makes me uncomfortable. I do know there was a time that women weren't taken seriously in cases of actual rape and were afraid to come forward for fear of that or of being put on trial themselves if their past weren't squeaky clean. It use to be a tough thing for women..
It does seem now though, like with so many other things,..that in alleviating one problem the pendulum has swung too far in the other extreme direction.
In order to not add to the trauma of questioning a true victim they now believe every claim without question. Isn't there ever a middle ground?

One other thing that bothers me is that I was a kid in a small southern town and was aware of hearing about Quaaludes as a "pantie dropper" used consensually by males and females. How did some virgin kid from a southern hick town know about this and all those wanna be starlets approaching the rich and famous Bill Cosby in Hollywood didn't know about it and and not a single one willingly participated thinking he would help them out?
Maybe he is the biggest a hole ever to exist and maybe he made lots of promises he never intended to keep for favors and maybe he was the biggest jerk about using his power and using people and taking advantage.

But I have a hard time believing that all of these cases are exactly as presented.

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[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

How did some virgin kid from a southern hick town know about this and all those wanna be starlets approaching the rich and famous Bill Cosby in Hollywood didn't know about it

As far as I know, Quaaludes was the most popular drug in Hollywood in the 70s. To be honest, my experience with drugs is limited to weed and magic mushrooms (I always liked the hippie stuff), but for anyone hanging around in Hollywood in the 70s, Quaaludes were kind of a common thing. It's true that drugs back them were used to lower inhibitions when it comes to sex, but that was a generation raised in a much stricter sexual code. 60s-70s were a period of freedom, and for many people freedom included the possibility of being free from themselves for a while, which is another kind of freedom, and a very valuable one.

As it happens with everything, some people always push the boundaries from whatever the trend is in that moment. Maybe Cosby did, or maybe he didn't, who knows. but as long as he didn't put the drug in someone's drink without her knowledge, or threatened somebody, it should be considered consensual. People are adults.

What I find worrying is all that's stuff is very similar to what I used to hear when I was a kid in the Sunday Church. It feels like the old preachers and church ladies reappeared in this time reborn as the so-called progressives to fool everybody.

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[–] Underdog_73 (770) 7 years ago

It does seem now though, like with so many other things,..that in alleviating one problem the pendulum has swung too far in the other extreme direction.
In order to not add to the trauma of questioning a true victim they now believe every claim without question. Isn't there ever a middle ground?

Why can't more people understand this? Society handles everything this way. It's insane. It's as if they believe drastically going to the extreme opposite end of the spectrum is somehow an intelligent solution to a problem. I've never understood it. It has never been a successful strategey, yet it's a practice that repeats and repeats.

If every one is on one end of a raft and it starts tipping, they all run to the other end, clueless that it'll start tipping the other way. No common sense at all. It makes it impossible to take people seriously.

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

I was around in the 70's in a big city and I never heard of quaaludes until I went to another city and a female friend offered me 1/2 of one for stress.

Small towns have plenty of drug culture that I've seen.

It seems in party scenarios that Cosby had been in, he would offer these drugs, the women would take them willingly thinking they'd just get high but instead they would pass out cold and he would rape them. Sometimes he slipped mickeys because it was more fun for him that way. He seems to have relished the trauma and confusion created by that M.O.

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[–] prometheus1816 (1060) 7 years ago

The problem with your "argument" is that Quaaludes are not like Rohipnol. Ludes do not cause you to pass out. It heightens the experience. Rohipnol or the "Date Rape Drug" does cause one to pass out. That's why Andrew Lustre used it in his RECORDED rapes of his victims. No one has concretely proven Cosby is a predator. Not a one. It's all hearsay and weaponized verbiage used solely to cause outrage. In her most recent interview with Dateline NBC, Andrea Constand kept to her "story". Problem is on the show's Facebook interactive page, over 75% of the viewers sided with Cosby calling her a liar and a fake, wondering why Cosby was convicted when she clearly went back several times of her own accord. When do women start taking responsibility for their own sexuality and actions? Like Kuku said, we live in a culture that infantlizes women when they have sex. We say to them, "you're liberated....but only as far as we say you are". This also means in terms of having free sex. And again Ludes do not cause unconsciousness. Coupled with alcohol it causes a buzz and omits inhibition. It was used all the time in the key parties in the 70s.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Are you female?

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[–] Catbookss (13664) 7 years ago

So they claim. Not only that, but they claim to be a rape victim. A REAL rape victim, mind you! Not a phoney baloney one, like these 60 people, and apparently virtually all others.

It was very considerate of this Andrew Lustre person to record the rapes of his victims, don't you think? I mean, well, most rapists DO record their crimes! Still, what a guy.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Oh really? Interesting.
I've not heard of Andrew Lustre but yes I mean obviously if an alleged rapist DOESN'T record himself raping women then it proves he didn't rape anyone!

Imagine Cosby's victim ACTUALLY sticking to her story!! But then if 75% of Facebook "experts" say she was lying I guess it must be true.

With regard to quaaludes, one minute on google tells me that it could easily cause someone to black out completely especially with alcohol. It was used to treat insomnia!

It's almost funny the lengths people go to and the lies they tell to defend a serial rapist. One of the biggest fears of a woman who has been assaulted is the idea that she may not be believed or basically be accused of lying. If the poster is what she claims then shame on her.

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

Well I took exactly one half of a lude in the 80’s and I passed out cold for 4 hours in a Wendy’s parking lot.

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

But there’s no video footage so I’m guessing it maybe didn’t happen? Oh me oh my! The men have confused me so!

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Apparently you're lying about that, you didn't pass out you just had a heightened experience and I'm sure 75% of Facebook people would agree!

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

And my lude wasn’t accompanied with alcohol, it was with a Frosty so mine wasn’t a KEY party. But I never went back so maybe I did rape myself bc, as all people who vote for things on Facebook know, if a woman goes back she was never raped.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Look Charlotte, Prometheus1816 says they do NOT cause unconsciousness. She said it twice so it must be correct!

Facebook Polls are highly accurate things...75% of Facebook users agree, especially those with an agenda.

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

75% of Facebook users who voted on the Facebook page: Bill Cosby is a persecuted victim who 60+ women are framing bc they want fame for being raped, and they want to bring down a successful black man, even the black accusers, all voted that 75% of them are right that all them women lie, every last one of them and 75% of them voted that one needs not know one single factual detail about any of the assaults because women folk lie and never get raped.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

7?

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

I’m on my phone and posting on long threads stretches out the characters so that now in this post for example, I see a long thin bar one character wide, lol. So I edit the start of a post to be able to see a normal format.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Ah I see!

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

After reading this thread I realized that the poster Prometheus 1816 was familiar to me, I felt I'd tussled with them before and I have!
It seems they're also a vehement defender of Polanski and victim blamer in the Weinstein case.
I honestly don't believe that this poster can be taken seriously now.
If there is such as thing as a fetish for serial sex offenders then they seem to have it.

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

I suspect that many of these defenders of sexual predators are sexual predators themselves and they’re scared. If Cosby can fall after a 50+ year career as a rapist, well so can they. If you can’t prove with a video or something that almost certainly won’t exist then any good rapist who rapes carefully and covers his tracks is entightled to remain free and continue to rape. If you just use testimony and common sense and logic to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a man is a serial sexual predator well, that’s just so unfair!

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[–] Cookie.L.A. (2117) 7 years ago

<< Well I took exactly one half of a lude in the 80’s and I passed out cold for 4 hours in a Wendy’s parking lot. >>

Good times...
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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

Good times my ass. I was all set to rape myself, I had romantic wine and everything but I frickin passed out. Where was Bill when I needed him???

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[–] Cookie.L.A. (2117) 7 years ago

<< The problem with your "argument" is that Quaaludes are not like Rohipnol. Ludes do not cause you to pass out. >>

Right...they just put you into a coma, like Karen Ann Quinlan.
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[–] TJLamb0518 (3316) 7 years ago

Wait....you're equating weed to what cosby gave his victims?

That's QUITE the stretch to make to justify your viewpoint.

Please tell me you don't own a MAGA hat....

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[–] Underdog_73 (770) 7 years ago

Wait....you're equating weed to what cosby gave his victims

I don't think that's what the poster was saying at all. Weed was used as an example because more people relate to it today, as a recreational drug, possibly similar to the way quaaludes were used in the 70s.

The debate was whether or not the drug use was consensual, whether it be marijuana, cocaine, crack, heroin, beer or wine.

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

Cosby never openly admitted he's slipped any mickey's but under oath in 2005 he refused to answer the question under the advice of legal counsel.

So he didn't admit it nor did he deny it.

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[–] catsidhe (1649) 7 years ago

Oh please. Weed doesn't incapacitate you.

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[–] Culburn (3638) 7 years ago

Damn fine discussion!

MC

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[–] ThrillerTalk (1119) 7 years ago

This shit makes me hate real life so much. How someone so cool as Cosby could turn out to do something like that.

Really like watching the Cosby show and a few of his old movies but now none of its going to be aired or probably anymore.

Smh

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[–] Moonglum9 (11338) 7 years ago

This shit makes me hate real life so much. How someone so cool as Cosby could turn out to do something like that.

Regardless of how they present themselves in public and how many people they fool, most super rich and powerful people are likely amoral dickheads behind the scenes. Like it says in the bible, it's easier for a camel to get into heaven than it is to poke a rich man in the eye with a needle. Or something.

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[–] CharlotteXavier (2357) 7 years ago

LOL. I remember it as "It's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven." What if it's a super large needle big enough to fit a camel through it, lol.

I think that was propaganda the Romans through into the bible to scare the masses and keep them impoverished.

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[–] Moonglum9 (11338) 7 years ago

Awwww man! You've totally ruined my vision of what I was going to encounter in the afterlife. I figured that I'd be cavorting among the clouds for eternity with a bunch of camels and folks with eyepatches!

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[–] filmschooldegree (350) 7 years ago

There will usually be an element of doubt where women and money are involved. Plus after 30 years of some of the dumbest leaders in their political history, smarter Americans are now aware of how 'celebrity scandals' are utilised. With the biggest moron to ever stumble into the white house in charge (thanks to still allowing angry, inbred rednecks civil rights) and his recent 'activities', they can be forgiven for rolling their eyes at another media-pushed wag the dog smokescreen. How's that wall going by the way? lol

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

People are afraid to grow up and let go of their childhood heroes, even when they turn out to be monsters

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[–] prometheus1816 (1060) 7 years ago

And you know who these "monsters" are? Let's see your Entwickler sniffer then because that I gotta see to believe.

That's why I don't have heroes. I read a lot and know NO ONE is perfect or NO ONE are angels. Each of us have our shades of grey. Some of my favourite authors are dyed in the cast effed up. Thank the gods I'm not into any of that Oprah book of the month club insipid spiritual crap. It's that kind of stuff that makes us think these people are heroes. They're not.

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