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Glover clears up why he was not in the BttF sequels.


http://www.avclub.com/articles/crispin-glover,67635/
CG: It started with Back To The Future. That was the film that I still have questions about. Essentially what led to me not being in the sequels—I haven’t talked about it a lot until recently. The reason I’m starting to talk about it, specifically, there’s a person named Bob Gale who was a co-producer and co-writer on it who’s been lying about me, as to why I wasn’t in the second film. He’s been saying that I asked for the same salary that Michael J. Fox was getting. Total fabrication. The reason he’s making that up is because he does not want to talk about what he did that was—he is probably the prime architect as to that illegal thing that happened. [Glover won a landmark lawsuit over use of his likeness when the filmmakers replaced him with previously shot footage and an actor in prosthetics for the sequel. —ed.]

The reason that that happened, essentially—it’s more complex than this, but when we were working on the first Back To The Future, Michael J. Fox wasn’t the original actor. It was Eric Stoltz. He was fired right before Christmas vacation. We had shot about six weeks. I’d shot most of my character with Eric Stoltz playing it. And the last thing that we shot with Eric Stoltz was the alternate return to the future. In the original screenplay, I won’t say what it was, but there was a slightly different element in the ending. And I’m sure I wasn’t the only person that said something about it, because it did get changed. But I said, “Look, if we have this in our characters, if this happens, it will not be liked by people at large.” They did change that element. But I went on beyond it, because it was related to this subject matter. I had a conversation with Robert Zemeckis about it and I said, “I think if the characters have money [in the updated timeline at the end of the film], if our characters are rich, it’s a bad message. That reward should not be in there.” People love the movie, and of course who am I to say—I was 20 years old, though. And again, I was stepping into it from a time period of questioning. But Robert Zemeckis got really angry. Essentially, he did not like that idea. He was pissed.

We’d shot a slightly different interpretation of how I played the character, in the returning alternate future. Eric Stoltz was fired, and the next thing we shot with Michael J. Fox was that alternate future. Robert Zemeckis had been nice to me in between [those shooting segments]. But he made it very clear to me that he was not happy with how the character had been played. I was 20 years old, and of course they had just fired another actor. The lead. So I didn’t want to get fired! I wanted to work! I was scared when we shot that alternate future. Essentially, I would call it acting from the spinal cord. It was different from how I had interpreted it initially, and essentially, I was re-auditioning. I felt that if I didn’t do it exactly as I was being instructed, that I would get fired—which is fair enough. But I was acting from a point of view of fright, basically, which is not exactly my favorite way to work.

I don’t know that anybody would notice it. I’ve only seen the film once since it came out. I was working on At Close Range when it was released, and that summer, it was actually a very fast release. I saw it that one time, and I still think the same way. I know there are all kinds of people that would disagree, and people love the film and all that, and I understand that. It’s not that I dislike the entire film. There are things about the structure that are very solid, and there’s good writing behind it. But I still would argue all the things that people love about the film would still be there, and I think there would be a better message if, instead of the son character pumping his fist in the air or whatever, jumping up in the air because he has a new truck [in the new timeline], if instead the reward was that the mother and father characters are in love with each other. And that there’s the potential that money comes in. I think [equating their new riches with moral success] is a bad message. And this is aligned to those things in film that I’m saying serve the interests of a corporate element.

Now, I don’t know that Bob Gale or Robert Zemeckis necessarily intellectualized that, although that conversation has started to mention, on some level—I do think there’s an intellectualization. There’s an understanding that if that portion, that kind of carrot dangled out in front of the American populace that money is going to make you happy, you should borrow money to do things, this serves corporate interests. Whereas being in love with somebody, on a pure level, doesn’t necessarily serve corporate interest. Somehow that was an understanding, a knowledge, that if that interest didn’t serve the people that were hiring the movie, that maybe it wouldn’t be as well-released by those interests. I still believe that that film, if it was just people in love, if it were released as well as it was, my hunch is that it would still have made as much money as it did. But it’s more about whether the interests were served by the people that were releasing it would be served.

AVC: So did you not come back for the next film because you were uncomfortable with the message, or did they not invite you back because Zemeckis was angry with you?

CG: It gets so complex. It would take a long time to go through all the details of what happened. But suffice it to say, the reality was that they did not want me back in the film. And it stems from that. There was an understanding that I had questions. The fact was, by the time the second film came around—and this is the lie that Bob Gale was telling—he’s saying I was the reason for it, and he wants to take the onus of the responsibility because there was a lawsuit. And because of my lawsuit, there are rules in the Screen Actors Guild that nobody can [recreate an actor with technological means] again. Bob Gale was really, I’m quite certain, the initial architect of it, because he’s the guy, if you—I listen to these things because I’m incredulous as to how much people say negative things now because of me, because he said all this stuff on these Back To The Future trilogy films which are not true, to make people have negative thoughts about me, and that it was right for them to do what they did, this illegal thing. And so this is why I’m talking about it more vocally. I didn’t talk about it at all, but I have to defend myself.

So what they did was, they offered me—I hate talking about this. It sounds so crass, but because they made it into this issue, I’ve got to say what really happened. They offered me $150,000 to be in—it was a long screenplay. Like, a 200-something-page screenplay. I could tell they would split it into two movies. But Lea Thompson was making something like $650,000, and Tom Wilson was making something like $325,000 or $350,000, so it was less than half of what my fellow actors were making, coming back for similar-sized roles. And my agents knew it wasn’t fair. It wasn’t like I was saying I needed to make more money. I just basically, at that point in the negotiation, I just wanted to be fairly compensated. Also, if you look at the character, George McFly, in the sequel, the character’s hung upside down. It’s been said that that’s an obfuscating technique. [In one scene, Glover’s character is dangling upside down, supposedly as an orthopedic treatment; it’s been claimed that the filmmakers thought it would be harder to tell that the impersonator wasn’t Glover if his face was inverted. —ed.] Well, if you think about it, when I read the screenplay, that was in there. And the character’s supposed to have a bad back, and he’s hung upside down. Why would you hang somebody upside down if they have a bad back? What was apparent to me was, if I was going to return to be in the film, they wanted to make me physically uncomfortable, and monetarily, there was a punishment too. Because I had asked questions.

I would have been okay with doing the hanging-upside-down part, if I was fairly compensated for it. I actually switched from my agency—I was at William Morris agency—and I was paranoid. I didn’t understand why there was not a normal negotiation going on. And I found out that my agent was, her roommate was working at Universal Studios, and she was, I guess, in some part of the negotiation. I switched over to a completely different agency, where I remained for 20-something years. Gerry Harrington was my agent. He called up—Bob Gale was the person doing the negotiations—Bob Gale made it exceedingly clear that they felt they had paid Lea Thompson and Tom Wilson too much money, and he even said they were paying Michael J. Fox too much money. And that they were not going to make the same mistake by paying me what they thought was too much money for Tom Wilson and Lea Thompson. The only person that brought up Michael J. Fox’s salary was Bob Gale, and I know this from my conversation with my agent. I wasn’t in on the conversation, but he reported it to me.

They had, before this conversation, split the screenplay into two different films. Two different screenplays. They came back and said, “The offer is now $125,000.” They went down $25,000! It was very clear they didn’t want me in the film. It was clear they already had this concept that they were going to put another actor in prosthetics. They thought that was funny. They knew that they could basically torment me, either financially or by this mean-spirited, what ultimately was an illegal thing to do. I’m sure they laughed and joked about it. In fact, I shouldn’t go into so much detail, but there was testimony that specifically had to do with my name being used as—again, this is not the proper platform. But it’s not a pretty picture. And it’s not something—I’ve been very careful to not talk about it. But at this point in time, especially since this person is continuing to do it—it would be one thing if he’d stopped doing it after the first thing. But he did interviews as recently as last year, and it’s total falsification. And I’ve gotta respond.

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Fascinating interview. I was glad to see an actor talk so frankly about his real opinions on his past work. What an interesting guy.

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Glad I got to read it, the only other quote from him I've ever heard on the sequels was a pre-part II quote claiming he'd sign on if they paid him the same amount MJF is making.

You could argue that Glover was singled out for his protesting but not a single actor involved in those films spoke out against Zemeckis or Gale and most of them had been happy to reprise their roles in the show or video game (fox, Steenburger, Wilson, LLoyd).

I find inconsistencies with what he remarked about the script. The first draft of the script of the second film (written entirely by Gale) had even less about George than the final film. In that film, George is not in the future segment, it's stated he died in 2008 in the original timeline and like the finished film was dead in the alternate 1985. In this draft the third act is in 1967 instead of 1955, George is away at college and only shows up once in 1967


If Gale was lying through his teeth, why has Glover waited so long to defend himself and why has no other actor come to his defense?

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What Glover is stating is not inconsistent because he is speaking about the screenplay for the first film not the second film. He is correct in that having the Mary McFly character cheer for having a truck in his driveway gives the film the message that money equals happiness. I always was uneasy with the film and Glover puts it quite succinctly.
The person who is being inconsistent is Bob Gale and the producers of Back to the Future. They were found guilty of stealing Crispin Glover's image in the first film and their story has changed on the commentaries of the original DVD for Back to the Future and the new Blue Rays. They give different amounts of money that were asked for and different reasons why Glover was not in the film.
It seems apparent that the producers are trying to cover up that they did something illegal. I am sure that last year's release of the Blue Ray's with yet another version of the story by Bob Gale led Glover to speaking out about it more specifically. I sure would if I were him. The inconsistencies in Bob Gale's untruths seem apparent to me. Go over to Bob Gale's comments section here on the IMDB and you will see there are various posts about Bob Gale's lack of character. Glover did nothing wrong, but the producers of Back to the Future literally did something illegal. The information is public record if you research it.

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it wasn't illegal then or now. At the time there were no rules against it. Even now it's still allowed but the actor must receive a day's pay for it; for example the 2010 film little fokkers had a photo of an actress from the first film who is now dead. It's quite common in horror films as well (as they have plenty of sequels).

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Hi leeaf83,

I understand why there is confusion about what the producers did that was illegal. The reason there is confusion is because the producers have continuously been taking steps through the years to obfuscate what they did with Crispin Glover's image that was illegal. All the the things that follow are in public record and can been easily found on the Internet. The producers of Back to the Future say things that differ from what follows but their motive is to cover what they did that was illegal. What the producers did with Crispin Glover's image in the sequel to Back to Future was illegal then and it would be illegal now. The producers continue to lie about the details because they do not want to live up to the fact that the broke the law. Much of the public record comes from the point of view of the producers of Back to the Future because they say things on the DVDs that are not accurate for their own benefit. But there is enough in the public record to be able to see that what the producers and specifically Bob Gale is saying is not true. One has to take in to account when listening to someone like Bob Gale that they are listening to the architect/writer of the illegal actions that took place.

It is not legal for a producer to use the image of a performer for their own profit without negotiating with that performer. The producers wanted to pay Crispin Glover $125,000 for his performance for the sequel to Back to the Future. Tom Wilson was getting $350,000 and Lea Thomson was getting $650,000. Crispin Glover and his agents tried to negotiate for the fee of somewhere in the realm of what Tom Wilson and Lea Thomson were getting. Bob Gale was the final person on the phone with Crispin Glover's agent and Bob Gale said to Crispin Glover's agent that the producers were paying the actors, including Michael J. Fox, too much money and were not going to make the same mistake by paying Crispin Glover a similar amount to Tom Wilson or Lea Thomson. Crispin Glover's agents felt this was unfair and so obviously did Crispin Glover. This meant that the producers did not have a financial agreement with Crispin Glover for using him in the sequel to Back to the Future.

What the producers and Bob Gale did that was illegal was they took the molds of Crispin Glover's face from the original film that were used for the original old age makeup and they made prosthetics of Crispin Glover's face to put over another actor's face who imitated Crispin Glover. The producers then inter-spliced a small amount of footage of Crispin's performance from the original film with the actor in the prosthetics in order to fool audiences in to believing Crispin Glover appeared in the sequel.

The producers owned the character of George McFly but they did not own Crispin Glover or his face or features. Had the producers only hired another actor to play the role and just used that actor to play the role the producers would not have done anything illegal. Or had the producers only used footage of Crispin Glover's performance from the original film that would not have been illegal. Again what was illegal is that the producers took specific steps to literally steal Crispin Glover's facial features by utilizing the molds of his face from the original film and then applied Crispin Glover's features prosthetically to another actor who then imitated Crispin Glover and the producers inter-spliced a small amount of footage of Crispin Glover from the original film to make audiences believe that Crispin Glover had appeared in the sequel without paying Crispin Glover. This is by legal definition stealing. Stealing was illegal at the time the producers did this illegal action and of course stealing is illegal now.

Had the producers negotiated with Crispin Glover and his agents to use the molds and likeness of Crispin's face and his likeness for the sequels and been upfront about what they were doing perhaps an agreement would have been come to. But the producers actions indicated that they were trying to get to the point of not paying Crispin Glover a fair salary for the use of him and his performance in the sequel. Otherwise the producers would have agreed to pay Crispin Glover something similar to what Tom Wilson and Lea Thomson were making to come back for the sequels.

What Crispin Glover has said in interviews that led the producers to the point of not wanting to pay him a fair salary was that when he was allowed to read the screenplay, after he had been hired to play the role, he voiced to them that there was a bad message by having a reward of money for the characters at the end. Crispin Glover stated he felt the characters should be in love and that love should be the reward and not a truck in the garage. The producers did not like that Crispin Glover questioned them and retaliated by making an exceedingly low monetary offer to return for the sequels and then ultimately went to the point of doing something illegal.

What was precedent setting about Crispin Glover's lawsuit with the producers of Back to the Future was the ownership of an actor's self as a entity. Crispin Glover was brave to stand up to corruption like he did for the rights of himself and his fellow actors. Of course Crispin Glover knew he would be open for attack by the producers of Back to the Future from there on out and that is obviously has happened. The producers did something illegal then and now they want to obfuscate it by continuing to lie and exaggerate and they are of course willing to say anything about Crispin Glover in order to lessen the producers criminal actions.

Thank you for haling to make this point clear. Just to encapsulate this in a perfectly clear way, what the producers of Back to the Future did with Crispin Glover's image was stealing. Stealing was illegal in the 1980's and stealing is illegal now. The producers of Back to the Future did something illegal.

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After reading this interview, it kind of makes sense what he says about the so called "bad message".

Having seen the movie many times though, it never ocurred to me that they were negatively saying that more money equals happiness, I rather took it as a positive note that, since George McFly stood up for himself, from that point on he endeavored to look for better oportunities in the future, and therefore, ended up having a better position. I'd hardly call it being rich. It was still the same house (unlike the definite change in BTTF II), only better furnished.

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You could have used the word "illegal" a bit more. 150 times wasn't enough.

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They weren't "found guilty". The studio settled to save money on court costs, ie it's cheaper to settle than to pay a team of lawyers. No judgement was ever handed down in the case...

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