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Christmas, 1977: Teri Garr Plays the Same Part in "Oh God" and "Close Encounters"


I was watching Close Encounters the other day and as the long-suffering (but non-supportive) wife of Richard Dreyfuss was played by Teri Garr and suddenly I flashed back to the Christmas season of 1977 when both Close Encounters and ANOTHER movie called "Oh, God!" played in theaters and how whack it seemed that Teri Garr played the same essentially thankless role in TWO movies released practically at the same time.

In "Oh, God," Teri Garr doesn't believe that her husband John Denver has actually met God and has an ongoing relationship with Him(in the personage of George Burns in a cap.)

In "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," Teri Garr doesn't believe that her husband Richard Dreyfuss has actually encountered space aliens and is engaged in an ongoing quest to find and meet those space aliens again.

Even though, in each movie, Garr's character has justification for her concern (and in each movie, she has young children with the "crazy" husband)...she's kind of a villain by default in both movies, not standing by her man, leaving him(or threatening to leave him) when the going gets tough, etc.

One almost felt that Teri Garr got two big roles in two big movies because...no other actress wanted them?

I DOUBT that...I'll bet that plenty of other actresses wanted them, but Garr got them and earned the enmity of film audiences everywhere. Because in both Oh, God and Close Encounters, WE are on the side of the "crazy" hero because WE know he's not crazy.

It's Alfred Hitchcock's definition of suspense: "Give the audience information that key characters on screen don't have."

So..WE know that John Denver DID meet God. Teri Garr doesn't have that key information.

So...WE know that Richard Dreyfuss DID meet space aliens. Teri Garr doesn't have that key information.

And in both movies...but especially Oh, God...we CRAVE the moment on film when OTHERS learn that God really is George Burns and the space aliens DO exist.

Both Oh God and Close Encounters also posit, in the male character, a working-middle class kind of guy who can't risk losing their working-middle class job(Grocery store assistant manager for John Denver, utility lineman for Richard Dreyfuss) and who are thus that much more dependent on their wife to keep their family together through the crisis.

The outcome for Teri Garr as the wife is different than "Oh God" than in "Close Encounters," though. I'll leave it at that.

Oh, I'll go a little further: In Close Encounters, Dreyfuss is offered a more supportive alternative woman to Teri Garr...Melinda Dillon as a single mother who shares Dreyfuss' belief in the space aliens..and wants to rescue her kidnapped little boy from them.

...and this leads to ANOTHER kinda thankless role for Teri Garr..in Tootsie...as the long-suffering girlfriend to Dustin Hoffman who loses him to the more exotic Jessica Lange.

...which leads to a LESS thankless role -- but of the same type -- for Teri Garr in ...Mr. Mom. Garr here plays the stay-at-home mother to a husband whose crisis is...job loss. And mom starts working and dad takes care of the house and kids.

Though Teri Garr was perhaps most famous for her "comedy sexpot" in Mel Brooks Young Frankenstein, she seems to have cashed in for a few years as the "put upon wife or girlfriend" and in 1977, it reached a peak: practically the same character in two movies(both hits) released at the same time: Oh, God, and Close Encounters.

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She did have that vibe, but Teri could misunderstand me as much as she wanted, I’d stay married to her! She was my first childhood crush from when she was on…..The Sonny and Cher Show. Always noticed her in the skits, so cute….

Re your post though…….She also plays a put-upon woman in The Conversation, a woman who Gene Hackman visits and takes advantage of. And with the worst hair ever almost making her unattractive!

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She did have that vibe, but Teri could misunderstand me as much as she wanted, I’d stay married to her!

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Oh, yeah.

Its Oh God that I just saw(after a long number of years not seeing it) that reminded me of those two Christmas roles back in 1977...BUT...she played the wife to John Denver REAL sexy and supportive in the opening scenes, wearing a revealing Babydoll nightie and doing breast exercises and making love with him(off screen.) Her "Young Frankenstein" sex appeal was on display there.

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She was my first childhood crush from when she was on…..The Sonny and Cher Show. Always noticed her in the skits, so cute….

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I don't remember her there, but everyone starts somewhere. I suppose she had a bit of that "Goldie Hawn" vibe going for her at the time . My crush arrived later...with Young Frankenstein..and was revived with this recent showing of Oh God.



Re your post though…….She also plays a put-upon woman in The Conversation, a woman who Gene Hackman visits and takes advantage of. And with the worst hair ever almost making her unattractive!

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Yes! I remember that role now...but, when I saw the movie the first time, I didn't even know that was HER. Which means she was a good actress. But yeah...same damn role..perhaps closer to her Tootsie character.

The issue is "typecasting." We can figure that directors said "get me Teri Garr for this part, its her kind of part." And Teri Garr got to make a good living doing it over and over.

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I think she definitely got typecast in those roles but I hope she was happy with the career she carved out.
Coppola also made her the star of that weird musical he tried, and that was her shot at being a leading lady but boy that thing bombed. Not her fault though….
(1982 One From the Heart, had to look it up)
Francis also used Cindy Williams more than once, I think the guy shared my taste for ‘the cute girl next door’ type!

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Yeah, sitting here thinking about it while I eat, you're right.

Teri Garr did play those roles. Plus I believe all of the films were big hits.

The only question I have is, if one remembers correctly, Dreyfuss didn't actually meet the space aliens until the end of the film.

He and others (a popular actress at the time was one of them, can't think of her name) - they were somewhat , unknowingly , infected by the aliens. Thereafter becoming obsessed with the mountain image -which turns out to be the location the aliens land at.

I think that's how it went.

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The only question I have is, if one remembers correctly, Dreyfuss didn't actually meet the space aliens until the end of the film.

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That's true. The Oh God set up and the Close Encounters set up aren't EXACTLY the same. John Denver meets God early on. Dreyfuss "encounters" the aliens up above him in their spaceships but only meets them at the end.

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He and others (a popular actress at the time was one of them, can't think of her name) -

Melinda Dillon -- she went on to fame as the Mother in "A Christmas Story" (1983)

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they were somewhat , unknowingly , infected by the aliens. Thereafter becoming obsessed with the mountain image -which turns out to be the location the aliens land at.

I think that's how it went.

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All true. I recently viewed Oh God so Im' "up to speed" on that movie. Been a long time since I saw Close Encounters. Thank you for the clarifications...

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"That's true. The Oh God set up and the Close Encounters set up aren't EXACTLY the same. John Denver meets God early on. Dreyfuss "encounters" the aliens up above him in their spaceships but only meets them at the end."

Yeah that sounds about right. Ill challenge my memory here - in "Oh God" I believe Denver gets a note that takes him to an office. The office is all white. The one who supposedly is God speaks to him out of a speaker, he isn't seen.

I think Denver first sees God (George Burns) in his bathroom. Denver still doesn't believe its God until God proves it while in his car by making it rain.

Something like that.

"Melinda Dillon -- she went on to fame as the Mother in "A Christmas Story" (1983)"

SOunds about right, thank you.

"ll true. I recently viewed Oh God so Im' "up to speed" on that movie. Been a long time since I saw Close Encounters. Thank you for the clarifications..."

NP , well, if you feel like it, let me know how I did on "Oh God".

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Dreyfuss had a close encounter with their spaceship on the road and followed a police car chase pursuing them. He was burnt on the side of his face by the lights from their spaceship. Melinda Dillon's son Barry was kidnapped by them.

The obsession with the mountain was an invitation by the aliens.👽

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Right, oh yeah, that's right, I forgot about the kid.

Yeah, I believe they all ended up with the mountain obsession - although none of them actually had seen an alien.

Yeah, I think Dreyfus' car stalled, he didn't really know what was going on because the lights were so bright.

Yep, half of his face was burned.

Hahaha, it's all coming back to me!

Thanks

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The alien ship had something to do with the radio and car engine turning off. They started up again after the ship left.

At first he didn't know it was spaceship. Afterwards Dreyfuss saw about three spaceships/orbs being chased down the highway by police and he followed.

This movie was one of my favorites. I watched it a zillion times when it came out.

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I can tell, LOL.

Ok sounds good, I'm sure you're right.

If I remember correctly, yeah, there were three small spaceships being chased. ANd then the car that was chasing them went off a cliff.

RIght, and the boy being kidnapped - I remember that now, he was in his home, bright lights outside, and he was drawn to it.

Then if I remember correctly, the little boy reappears at the end.

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The little boy said "Ice cream!" because the lights looked like an ice cream truck to him.

At the end, he's crying because his friends are going away and he tearfully says goodbye while his mom is holding him.

Lol. I haven't watched this film in at least 30+ years because I overdosed on too many viewings - I needed a long break from it.

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Hahah, well you're still quite sharp on it.

Thanks for all the info.

Ok, nice chatting with you.

Best wishes

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It was a fun movie and I had fun reminiscing about it. Thanks.

Best wishes to you also!

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Yes, I remember now.

By the way, hasn't everybody over the years questioned the "terror scene" of the aliens abducting little Barry away from his single mother, leaving her devastated and in tears and "going mad"? Hasn't everybody said "just how nice exactly ARE these aliens that they could do that to a mother?" SHE didn't know that they would bring him back.

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I never heard anyone call it a terror scene. The little boy and little aliens only wanted to play with each other considering they were the same height and looked similar. (I heard this comment in the movie theater.) Perhaps a playdate? And they did invite his mom to pick him up at the mountain by implanting an obsession about its location in her mind.
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Dreyfus’s character abandoned his wife and kids without so much as a goodbye

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Opposite. His wife left and took the kids because of his strange behavior.

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You’re taking about a passing scene of comic relief where Ronnie takes the kids to her sister’s in the station wagon in their pajamas because Roy’s building a scale dirt model of Devil’s Tower in the kitchen. Obviously, I’m talking about the climax of the movie where he walks into the alien mothership to leave Earth forever, having never so much as deliberated about the impact on his children and without a single advance word on screen to explain it to them. This same scenario was portrayed with substantially more realism in Interstellar
https://youtu.be/ogd0ahj4cIE?si=TBsGOS-HZtY5QNsp

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Who said it's forever for Dreyfuss and the other astronauts? It's more likely a temporary trip and the beginning of a new friendly relationship between our two planets.

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I say goodbye to my kids when I go to work in the morning. Roy didn’t even make a phone call to his before an intergalactic trip on an alien spaceship. And before boarding, he watched the mothership disembark the Flight 19 Navy pilots who were taken by the aliens from the Bermuda Triangle 30+ years earlier. If it wasn’t forever, all signs for Roy indicated he’d not return until his kids were middle aged adults in several decades. It was bizarre that the movie didn’t address it like Interstellar. He never even paused to think about the ramifications.

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This is a different scenario from your family. Roy's wife left him and told the kids to lock the car door before driving away because she thought he was crazy. There are two scenarios with a phone call:

1. It's unlikely his still angry and upset wife would've taken his phone call.

2. Let's say his wife does take his phone call. Roy tells her he wants to say goodbye to the kids because he's taking a long journey on an alien 👽 spaceship. Do you believe she would allow her crazy 🤪 husband to talk to them? She would've yelled at him to get help and not phone again.

Phone call wouldn't work. He could've written a note, but it would've ruined the tone and pacing of the ending. Richard Dreyfuss makes a good point that Roy's decision to leave was right since he was obsessed with aliens throughout the movie so it makes sense he would want to leave with them at the end.

The best way to fix the problem is to have this initial trip be short like I always assumed it was - a few months to year. That could've quickly been mentioned by the French guy while discussing the voyage with the American officials without affecting the pacing.

Soldiers and workers leave their families for long durations. This includes Spielberg who films on location all the time.

We can both agree that the ending could've been clearer, but I never had issues since I assumed the trip was shorter than you did.

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