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This was an Old West, single action firearm like a Colt Peacemaker or a Winchester rifle. So WHY ON EARTH did he fire 2


The movie is a Western, so all weapons would be Wild West guns. Single action firearms that must be cocked for each shot. With the Colt revolver, you pull back the hammer with your thumb. With the Winchester rifle, you work the lever. It's not like a modern semi-automatic where all you need to do is pull the trigger.

If you fire one supposed blank and a crew member falls to the ground bleeding, why the hell would you cock and fire AGAIN?

Sounds intentional to me. Alec is a murderer.

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We don't know if the guns used were accurate to the period of the film, but in any case, double action Colts were available in the 1870s.

I don't know if the footage will ever be available, but maybe both shots were in quick succession.

What I don't understand is why the shots were aimed at two directors. If Baldwin was firing in a general direction while being filmed from the front or sides, why fire at people? We were always taught to never aim any gun at a person unless we intended to hit them.


EDIT: Baldwin fired one round and it struck both victims.


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Baldwin is notoriously anti gun. He no doubt has no need to know about gun safety as he is morally right and that protects him.

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Double-action revolvers existed in the "Old West" days (such as the Colt Model 1877 used by, e.g., John Wesley Hardin and Billy the Kid), and so did double-barrel shotguns and rifles. In both cases you only need to pull the trigger twice to fire two shots, and it can be done as rapidly as with a semi-automatic. For that matter, semi-automatic pistols have been around since the early/mid 1890s, the "Broomhandle" Mauser C96 being the most famous early one.

However, a blank can't kill someone except at point-blank range, and anyone who fires a gun loaded with blanks at someone at point-blank range should be arrested and charged with some degree of murder; in this case, one count of murder and one count of attempted murder. It's no secret that blanks can kill at close range.

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Seeing as how Baldwin is playing an "old-timer" outlaw in the 1880s I don't think character-wise, they would give him a "New fangled" double action Colt Lightning or Thunderer. He probably had a single action Peacemaker or even an old cap and ball revolver.

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We don't know what kind of gun was used, so that's speculation. But even if we go with your speculation for the sake of argument, there are still double-barrel shotguns and rifles; double-barrel shotguns are very common in westerns, and were not "new-fangled" in the 1880s.

As a side note, I agree that a double-action revolver is unlikely, but not because of any hypothetical character traits, but simply because many, if not most, productions of westerns are lazy / ill-informed; they just give an SAA to everyone and call it good; a trend that dates back to the 1950s.

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Well unless there a blank casing is jammed in the Gun. Then when they fire another Blank. It kill someone. That what happened to Brandon Lee.

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"Well unless there a blank casing is jammed in the Gun. Then when they fire another Blank. It kill someone."

That can't happen. The casing won't fit into the barrel, nor is there any mechanism by which it would end up in the barrel unless someone pounded it in there with a hammer and punch. When a blank (or live round) is fired, the force acting on the casing is pushing it in the opposite direction of the barrel.

"That what happened to Brandon Lee."

No, Brandon Lee was killed by a bullet, not a casing. That's not an instance of a blank killing someone, because when you add a bullet to a blank you have a live round by definition. Also, Brandon Lee was almost certainly murdered, and it was swept under the rug, i.e., someone who wanted him dead intentionally lodged a bullet in the barrel; the official narrative that says it got there by accident is utterly absurd.

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Are you high right now? Yes, he murdered two random people in broad daylight....where everyone can see him.

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Who's to say Baldwin wasn't high? Or at least piss-drunk? And they were NOT random people. They were his bosses. It could very well be a workplace shooting. Baldwin is a very violent, volatile man.

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"Who's to say Baldwin wasn't high? Or at least piss-drunk?"

Source?

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You don't need a source for speculation. But do you actually think it's unheard of for actors to shoot scenes while intoxicated? Really?

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You said he intentionally murdered these people. You literally have no proof of that. Your sole motivation is that you don't like him as a person because he made fun of your Orange god. You don't give a single fuck about facts or the truth.

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Your kind of people taught me all about giving a fuck about facts or the truth over the last 5 years.

Anyway, Baldwin is a violent man who has posted many legit tweets about shooting people. 2 different people were shot by a slow firing weapon in his hands. Sounds like a suspicious case to me.

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"Your kind of people taught me all about giving a fuck about facts or the truth over the last 5 years."

Oh, I'm not a Trumper.

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You're the kind who had apoplectic fits when Trump ate 2 scoops of ice cream, but gushes in orgasmic glee when Joke Biden fills his face with ice cream every chance he gets.

You are one of the great forked-tongued tribe who twists every innocent statement a Conservative makes and ignores anything that shows your own Leftists to be the nasty, depraved pond-scum they really are.

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STFU..you dont care about facts..just another armchair political fatass who thinks they have an agenda. So just STFU and stop using someone's death as an political soapbox...

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Fat people like you often break wind and like to smell it no doubt...

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Anyone who names themselves Galactus is obviously a 350 pound, basement-dwelling neckbeard who lives on a diet of Grape Fanta and Funyuns, so stop projecting.

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Is Galactus part of the MCU?

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No, he murdered one.

Alec didn't follow the rules-- that's on him

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You actually believe he fired the gun, not realizing it would hurt someone, and then said, "Ooh, this is live!" and shot the other person? You're an idiot.

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one thing that is almost always a good idea is to park all of your hot takes until we actually get good detail on what's happened.

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Why? I think it's a perfectly logical question. Why and how were two people shot, 1 fatally and 1 seriously, by one very likely single-action weapon?

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Why is it a good idea to get all the facts? Stop it. Fucking moron.

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If everyone waited to get all the facts, the entire Hollywood gossip industry would collapse. This is a movie chat site. You are not acting in the spirit of Hollywood.

Of course, I understand why you feel this way. Baldwin is a Liberal darling. I wonder what you would be saying if this happened to Trump?

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Apparently, there was one shot of a live round. It went through the woman, killing her, and hit the man in his clavicle.

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https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

This puts some of this speculation to bed... but it raises many new questions, as well.

The article claims
a) there were numerous accidental discharges before this event
(does this mean there were guns going off without the trigger being deliberately pulled?)
b) at least a half dozen crew walked off the set due to safety concerns
(how high up did the complaints go and why were they ignored?)
c) a non-union replacements were brought in
(where any of these replacement people handling the prop guns or but in charge of checking the rounds?)
d) Alec Baldwin was one of the producers on the film
(how much pull and authority did he have on the film, did he complain about safety or support those that did?)
e) the shooting happened during a rehearsal between shots in which Baldwin was practicing his quick draw skills
(how far away was he from the DP and director when the discharge happened?)
f) the prop master had said it was not a "live" round, meaning there was no ordinance, blank or otherwise in the gun
(how likely is it for a blank cartridge to go through one person into another if it wasn't a real bullet?)

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Sounds like there was a real bullet, what I guess you'd call ordinance, in the gun.

I've come across a couple of stories saying that shortly before the accident, the owner of the ranch had brought some guns and real ammunition on set and they were firing these guns. They also weren't following rules that required the prop master or armorer to be the one to handle the guns and hand them to the actor.

This makes a lot of sense to me. People who aren't experienced with firearms sometimes can be careless about following safety rules. They think the gun doesn't have any ammunition in it, so its harmless. You can tell them the rules, but they still fall into that kind of thinking. So they keep the weapons in the hands of the prop people who are trained instead of people like assistant directors.

I'm not suprised crew members walked off set, if that's the case. They were cutting a lot of corners.

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The dude is not wrong thought

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It is a low budget junk movie. Do you really think that they really tried to be correct in everything in it.

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