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He make movies about perversion.


His famous films are glorifications of perversion.

Criminals, murderers, gangs, etc all populated by people who are the bottom of the barrel, sociopaths, people who don't know how to solve problems, and so on. They are weirdly "good" but that's even more perverted.

We "like" his perverted characters and films. We like how they murder people, or are "psycho" and that means he's a seductive little pervert. Someone like him probably has induced mental illness into people watching his films. That could mean that you want to emulate his characters and do or don't but still he made you want to.

What has been the influence of superheros?

That's a genre about human ideals, the best know of behavior, overcoming oppression, being humble even when you don't have to be, and the genre is almost secularly religious. They are stories about awesome people that the population has enjoyed for almost a hundred years in some cases.

Batman and Superman are OLD characters and people still, of all ages, admire Superman. That's because YOU know that YOU are Superman inside. You would do the same things if you could.

Art is supposed to be art if it moves you. His art moves perverted feelings in people and comic books stories do the exact opposite.

He sees the character in Taxi Driver as a Batman, but really he's an insane social misfit who murders people who are criminals after he failed to shoot the president. That's an insane pervert. Batman is a self-sacrificing character who decides to help people through total dedication and doesn't murder people. That is how broken people ought to act and that's inspiring. His work is demoralizing due to its perversion.

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Scorsese makes movies about interesting people. Most movie goers aren't criminals and find the aspect of what motivates them to a life of crime to be fascinating.

Superheroes are mostly one note except for Batman, who wrestles with the concept of good vs evil. How many different scenarios Disney can muster up for Captain Superhero to save the world is not all that interesting, gangsters are interesting because they have a villainous streak but they don't do inherently evil things. The genre covers everything in life but through a fascinating cinematic lens, family, power, betrayal, greed, love etc. Superhero movies don't cover that in an adult way like mafia movies do.

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Art is propaganda for the person who created it.

I do not believe that these people would be "interesting" if it weren't for the slick way (propaganda) they are promoted by him. People murdering people is disgusting. Gangsters are disgusting. At the end of Departed the cop murders someone because he doesn't like what he did, this was promoted as good.

The literal definition of a "Pervert" is someone who believes a good thing to be bad. So, the do bad things believing they are the best thing to do. That is what almost all of his films are about.

He is a pervert.

If you read up on pedo societies, they promote sex with children as being "high class ancient Greek culture" "educational for children" and "freedom". Artists like this tend to promote MURDER a lot in books and film. They "groom", like a pedo does to kids, consumers to LIKE MURDER and admire MURDERERS, so think about that.

It is true.

I have worked in psychology and forensics (prisons) for over 30 years. If you actually know murderers and the real stories you realize that most movies are sadistic garbage created by perverts.

And, I'm not sure how much you know about comics, but most of the characters are directly the opposite of simple. Stan Lee created many characters TO IMPROVE THE MENTAL HEALTH of children, and he directly said so. Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Wolverine, Hulk are all complex stories about how to deal with trauma, personality defects, etc.

I can't think of any director who says he wants to make movies to improve the mental health of the viewer.

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So why were you cooing over Joker?

https://moviechat.org/tt7286456/Joker/5da1453e34c8c257749fcd9a/Fantastic-Film

Phillips clearly borrowed so much from Scorsese films.

Isn't Joker a textbook example of this "perversion" of which you speak?

Why would an expert like you be seduced by it? Who would enjoy something so demoralizing?

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Cooing is a really "gay" sort of comment, lol.

You must not have seen Joker or are too stupid to know what you just watched.

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That's exactly the type of no answer I was expecting from a fraud like you.

How can you be so daft as to write a Scorsese screed after giving such a glowing review to a movie that so consciously and blatantly emulates that same director's films -- including one you mentioned specifically? It's scary to think how oblivious you are to your own hypocrisy -- despite all that supposed experience in "psychology and forensics".

But we both know it's all b/c of Scorsese's comments. You're just another cry-baby who he managed to tweak with one line.

So yeah, "lol" is right -- and "waaaah" as well.

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Using "screed" is also gay and pretentious, lol.

You are the fraud.

You can't counter my arguments except with insult.

You haven't seen Joker or don't understand it, but it's extremely easy to understand, so you haven't seen it.

The basic story of Joker from Batman doesn't glorify the character. So, you know nothing about that either. The Joker is insane, you have to know that, and he's not a hero, which you have to know unless you live under a rock.

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Ah, "No, you are". Great argument.

Still can't admit it, huh? Or are you really that inane? Maybe you don't get Joker or those Scorsese movies? Are you that bad or just being embarrassingly dishonest at this point?

Now reply with "gay" something something again. Over 30 years of work experience, huh? That makes you an "adult" yet you still call things "gay" as an attempted insult? Wow. Sad.

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Please make and argument and I will get back to you.

You aren't smart enough to counter my argument. You are "butthurt" because I am right. Now you've gone into child mode.

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Replace "gay" with "butthurt". Clever. You've been in child-mode forever. It's your only mode. That's why a stray comment by some director set you off into a contradictory tantrum from which you can't escape.

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LOL the dude has a perfectly legitimate question and you are side-stepping it. Joker is a Scorsese movie with a different director. It's Taxi Driver with face paint.

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Joker is not Taxi Driver.

The character from taxi was crazy from the beginning and a total misfit. He wanted to be famous for something and kill people.

The Joker was trying to be a nice person and he got squashed until he went crazy.

Watch the films and think.

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That's invalid as exceptions do not disprove a rule.

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Personally i really only like a handful of his films. Hugo, Shutter Island, Gangs of New York. But most of his films are about assholes doing asshole things. There enough assholes in the world. Why do i need to watch a movie about it. I saw Raging Bull once. It was somewhat interesting. But at the same time, im never watch it again. But ill probably watch all the Rocky movies hundreds more times before i pass away. Saw Goodfella once, didn't give a crap about anyone in the damn movie. Same with Casino. Hell i think the GTA 4&5 did a better job making me care about the protagonist. Even if they were assholes.

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That is the response a normal person should have when watching those films.

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Glad to see someone give some acknowledgement. It's a really good movie that gets no attention.

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Your opinion is that I should have no opinion.

Extremely stupid and moronic.

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you don't get to decide what reality is best matched by.

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You are a fraud: https://moviechat.org/nm10361418/Greta-Thunberg/5d9a2a3a3510c1479c5bc796/Mental-Illness-Movements

Psychologists don't talk like you do. Yes, Greta is on the autism spectrum.

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I can talk any way I want, lol.

You have a moronic view of the world.

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Yes. He's also an antisemite, racist, homophobe with delusions of grandeur.

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I think you're wrong about how he sees them. I don't think he sees Travis Bickel as some sort of hero, Jake LaMotta as a role model, or Bill the Butcher as an ideal.

I think he depicts troubling things because that's part of the world.

You could just as easily make the argument that superhero films teach us that might makes right and violence is always the answer, or that there are a special class of people (superheros) allowed to do as they please and the rest of us just need to get out of their way. That's clearly not the message(s) of superhero films, but if you misinterpret them it is.

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On the other hand movies like Richard Donner's Superman or Sam Raimi's Spider-man might have inspired kids to be Fighter Fighers or Police Officers or EMTs. Has Goodfella ever inspired anyone and if it has, That cant be a good thing. Maybe our society doesn't usually put assholes on a pedestal for a reason.

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Pedestal? You don't think it's a warning?

Requiem for a Dream isn't very "inspiring" but I'm sure as heck never gonna touch heroin.

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I really do not and never have cared for gangster or Scorsese movies. These kinds of movie suck unless there is a strong message and an actual point.

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There is no message to these films.

There is one, that if there wasn't weak links in their chain of crimes there would be no problems and all their crime stuff would be great.

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I think Scorsese's movies are always great to watch...he's a true master filmmaker who's continues to create art that imitates life.

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The only Gangster movies i like is the Untouchables and that because its actually about the good guys.

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I can appreciate that, even though I did see the movie, I am not sure I really liked it. We seem to have a real problem with authority, hero figures in our media. It's almost like we don't want to model them for attention and discussion because the way we've created our society model citizens and courage is not something we encourage in citizens.

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I completely agree, and why is that?

I have been watching some older shows and there's characters who are moral, have a code of honor, etc. I don't see that now.

I believe it's due to the fact Hollywood is filled with dysfunctional families, sociopathic gay people, pedos, druggies, gangsters, whores, and all of these types are criminals. Anyone who uses drugs is a criminal.

A lot of these people know what they are and do you think they can stand creating characters with courage and honor? Hell no.

Perverts and druggies ALWAYS hang with their own kind. That's because positive people make them feel badly or angry. So, from Hollywood we get streams of movies about serial killers, murder, backstabbing, sex perverts, drugs, etc. That is their comfort zone.

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