Meh, I really don't care about your petty backhanded insult attempts, they only tell me you feel threatened and lack arguments, so go ahead.
You can belittle Cameron as much as you want, fact remains that he is both and respected for it - by people who know what they're talking about.
Him not being the deep sea equivalent to what Einstein was for physics, doesn't mean he isn't an explorer or researcher. I don't know what else to tell you, it's clear you just hate the guy and feel the need to belittle his achievements, but that's your problem.
The fact alone that he discovered over 60(!) new species is proof enough for any reasonable person.
You would immediately call a stranger with a hat, glasses and a notebook who finds a new worm in the rain forest an explorer and researcher, but when Cameron discovers 60+ new species in depths hardly any human went, nah, that's no good, he's just playin'. He's also an inventor, developed new underwater cameras, but I guess that was just a hobby as well and because he didn't build it himself by hand means he's no inventor either... right? He also co-wrote multiple white papers on deep sea submersible technology - definitely all fake, what does he understand of physics anyways, right?
I can understand why someone would not like someone like Cameron... but to pretend his achievements are worthless and deny him well deserved recognition only shows how unreasonable, bitter and spiteful you are.
Long story short, you're pathetic.
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maul (1635)
a year ago
"It's clear you just hate the guy and feel the need to belittle his achievements, but that's your problem."
You can tell a lot about a person when they do this type of thing. Clear indicator of serious jealousy and insecurity of their own value, to go so far as to deny or distort reality in an attempt to drag their betters down. Hilariously ironic that this is the guy going on about objective vs. subjective, when it's clear he's letting his emotions override logic.
I can dislike someone all day, but I'm not going to close my eyes, plug my ears and go "nananana" when it comes to their accomplishments.
A great example of this is Elon Musk - it's absolutely insane the comments you'll hear from people, who apparently can't even spend 1 minute to look up what SpaceX for instance has achieved. They are so buttmad over his success, or the fact that he disagrees with them politically, that they basically become flat Earthers in regards to their connection to reality.
He MUST be a fraud, his companies MUST be failures, because otherwise they're going to feel so very bad about themselves. Who cares if reality is the exact opposite of that, as long as they can sleep well at night in their delusional little bubbles. Beyond pathetic.
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
People who criticized Mel Gibson for being a conspiracy theorist (even his friends call him that) or an antisemite (that rant didn't come out of nowhere) were always told they were "jealous." It's the silliest response imaginable. It's possible to criticize someone and not be jealous.
To me, the coolest thing about Elon Musk -- other than the fact that his rockets can come down right on the X every time and that he understands how important free speech is (and that will change the world) -- is that he has a good sense of humor about himself. He seems kind and gracious, but he's not at all egotistical or defensive about himself.
Fans have NO sense of humor about their idols. Folks who criticize their darlings must be unhappy, desperate, jealous people who are utterly pathetic. Musk says he learns the most from his critics. That's a man who looks at his feet and is happy and secure right where he is.
He also doesn't care if he doesn't seem "cool." He took his mother to the Met Gala simply because she wanted to go. People might say they think that's cool, but my guess is they wouldn't take their Mom to a red carpet shindig.
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Otter (24464)
a year ago
Holy shit, you idolize that raving psychopath Musk?
Okay, you're on my shit list. Goodbye.
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
Do you have a problem reading? I like Musk. I don't idolize him. One of the things I like about him is that he doesn't seem to need to be idolized. And I don't idolize anybody.
I loved it when liberals adored Musk for making the Tesla -- the amazing exploding cars with poisonous batteries that they thought were going to save the environment. Now liberals have turned against him and call him a "raving psychopath." Ah, well. Live by the liberal sword, die by the liberal sword. He's sort of learning who his real friends are. Not you, obviously. We'll both wake up screaming, I'm sure. 😂
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maul (1635)
a year ago
Well, we're not talking about valid criticism here, we're talking about a blatant denial of reality. When Musk haters call him a snake oil salesman/fraud, even though his companies produce real products which are highly competitive and innovative in their fields (sometimes ridiculously so, like SpaceX), it demonstrates either an extreme ignorance, and/or extreme bias resulting in a total disconnect from reality.
They are willing to completely delude themselves because they personally dislike the man. A similar thing is likely occurring with your nonsense about Cameron not being a deep sea explorer - again, either ignorance or severe bias is at play for you to discard the multitude and magnitude of his efforts in the field.
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
Most Musk-haters hide behind a whole lot of other stuff they CLAIM to dislike about him because they hate what they think his politics are. Worse still, it's only what they THINK his politics are, because if you listen to or read enough of his statements, he's probably more of an independent than anything.
I don't actually have any feeling one way or the other about Cameron himself. His reputation on IMDb was that he was overrated and so were his movies. Everything I heard of them didn't sound appealing, so I took their word for it.
My reaction was more to the fanboi description of him. "He's an explorer and researcher!" You'd think they were talking about Jacques Cousteau! Sorry, not in the same league.
Here's fun: Grab the first twenty people you see at random and ask them who James Cameron is. If they say, "Who?" pay close attention to what you say next, because it WON'T be "The well-known deep sea explorer and researcher!"
And THAT was the point I was trying to make. People were inflating his reputation beyond the realm of cinema, then getting fumingly angry if I wasn't willing to do obeisance to The Great Man. Pfft.
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maul (1635)
a year ago
It's not a fanboy description, it's an accurate description. Get used to it.
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
Well, that tells me! Don't bother asking the man on the street -- try contacting world renowned oceanographers or engineers working on oceanographic equipment and see what they say. No doubt they will warmly call him "colleague" and it will have them reading the Daily Beast, Vulture.com, or MSN for his assessment of why the Titan's hull failed.
I'll "get used to" that level of expertise. In fact, that's more or less what I thought his level was.
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maul (1635)
a year ago
"No doubt they will warmly call him 'colleague'"
Correct. You know, like Bob Ballard, the legend who discovered the Titanic wreck, who appeared with him in multiple interviews, had no disagreements, and actually deferred to Cameron when talking about the specifics of the hull.
"Obviously, Jim can talk about the nature of the hull itself..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd8TVSbl1_g
https://youtu.be/e9YB31ElEFQ?t=58
“I'll stick with titanium personally,” says Ballard. “I'll stick with the [submersibles] that Jim [Cameron] is building and titanium hulls...”
https://archive.is/2b8hm
You should really learn the art of quitting while you're behind - there's no dignity in digging yourself into a deeper hole. Cheers
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
Oh, I give up. Cameron rules the world of undersea everything. I bow before his magnificence! When he dies, that will be what he's known for, and his overblown movies will be thrown in the shade!
Actually, that is a possibility.
Of course, I still stand by the grabbing twenty people at random test. Only I'm thinking if we could do it fifty years after he died, there would be that handful of scientists who'd know him for the "exploration and research," and the common man who might remember he was one of the people who "did one of those Titanic movies, didn't he? Or was it sci-fi? Or both?" Not many directors "live" long in the memories of the average man. It won't be long before the average man on the street doesn't know who Orson Welles was.
Perhaps it's already, considering those Jesse Watters-style man on the street interviews feature people who don't know who fought in the Spanish-American War.
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maul (1635)
a year ago
Like Kendricks said, you aren't even attempting to argue the actual, original point anymore. You've now delved into this weird strawmannic ad-populum nonsense.
You do seem to be slowly getting the picture though, as much as you're capable of at the current moment. Cheers
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
Just like real exchanges in real life, conversations take different directions. For instance, the one person says something that reminds the other person of something completely different.
Your complaint that this conversation doesn't look like an uninterrupted straight line -- or a Hillbilly's family tree -- reminds me of the poster on IMDb who had a screaming fit when the conversation started having sub-threads. And these other posters posting on HIS THREAD who started those sub-threads! How DARE they! 🤪
I'm not saying you want complete, totalitarian control over a thread. It just reminded me of that guy who thought conversations didn't have an ebb and flow of their own and took umbrage when they did. 🍻
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maul (1635)
a year ago
You've taken the conversation in a "different direction" because you got owned in the actual argument.
Sorry, but you don't just get to weasel your way out of something by suddenly constructing and fighting a strawman.
This is pathetic and this conversation serves no further purpose. Transmission ended.
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
Did you miss the part where I said I bow to the magnificence of Cameron's scientific prowess? I won't confuse you with any further statements so you can take that in: I bow to the magnificence of Cameron's scientific prowess.
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
I lack arguments? As you go on to tell me that anyone who looks into something is a "researcher" or travels through an unfamiliar area is an "explorer"?
There is nothing small or cheap about being a popular director. He IS that. He won't be to everyone's taste, but it's quite an accomplishment. But it's pure fanboy/fangirl to claim accolades for one's idol that they don't deserve.
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Kendricks (2239)
a year ago
Why are you still calling the discovery of over 60 new species, in-depth research of Titanic and Bismarck over years with dozens of wreck dives for research as well as other places and the construction of new underwater photography equipment "looking into something" when it is clearly perfect justification to call him an explorer, inventor and researcher?
You are confirming exactly what I said in my previous post. Anyone else doing just one of the above and you'd clap your hands. Cameron doing it, you belittle it. It's so hilariously obvious how unreasonable and unable you are to talk about this without your negative emotions in tow.
Again - your problem. It's obvious for everyone to see that you have issues, but no facts.
As for the petty attempt to undermine my arguments by pretending I am a fanboi... haha, nice try! Remember what I said about disliking the guy? Yeah well, I do dislike the guy. He's an arrogant schmuck, full of him self up to 11, thinks he's better than anyone else and and expert on fucking everything - a bit like you, ironically, and I absolutely dislike him for that.
But I am man enough to admit that the guy earned all these titles and designations and would never be sad enough to try to belittle someone like Cameron just because I can't control my feelings, like some girl.
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
When I look up Cameron, folks are talking about his movies. Forgive me for thinking the thing he wins awards for is what he's known for.
When I can't stand someone, I don't go out of my way to praise him to the high heavens. I'll take your word for it that amidst all the unqualified praise came the qualifier that you can't stand him for -- dripping with irony -- he "thinks he's better than anyone else and and expert on f**king everything."
I was disputing the idea that a fellow best known for simply being a director was such an expert on....
Nevermind. We're now at the part where you're agreeing with me while claiming to be fighting me at every turn because I'm such an idiot. 🤦🏼♀️
If Cameron thinks he deserves the accolades you're giving him, you shouldn't begrudge him believing he's an expert on everything.
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Kendricks (2239)
a year ago
"When I look up Cameron, folks are talking about his movies. Forgive me for thinking the thing he wins awards for is what he's known for."
Textbook strawman, good job.
It's never been about what he is known for, it's about you denying him recognition in other areas. It was all said in plain English, stop pretending you are dumber than you really are.
"When I can't stand someone, I don't go out of my way to praise him to the high heavens. I'll take your word for it that amidst all the unqualified praise came the qualifier that you can't stand him for -- dripping with irony -- he "thinks he's better than anyone else and and expert on f**king everything."
There was no irony, I neither think I am better than everyone else, nor do I speak about things I do not understand. Speaking of irony, this exchange has proven that you, however, do. So maybe cut it out with the constant attempts to make me look bad, while you are bad. It's a smoke screen no one will fall for.
"I was disputing the idea that a fellow best known for simply being a director was such an expert on...."
Are you even trying at this point?
No it wasn't. Let me defeat you with your own words:
"Objectively prove that he's a "deep sea explorer" instead of a rich, deep sea tourist?"
As we can see, it was always about you disputing his validity as a researcher and explorer, just fucking stop, it's difficult to watch you going full retard at this point.
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Destinata (3344)
a year ago
I realize you never intended a bit of irony.
I'll let you have the last word, which will undoubtedly be something about how he's The Great Man and you intensely dislike him for thinking of himself as The Great Man, but how I'm a "retard" for not agreeing with you that he truly IS The Great Man, and Cameron is so full of himself for thinking he's The Great Man that you really, really dislike him...and me for not thinking he's The Great Man.
All said without a shred of irony. 🙄
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