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Always thought Wayne was a talentless, bigoted c*nt


Now I'm certain he was...

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Okay and?

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People who casually throw around the word "bigot" also like to use "racist," "homophobic" and "misogynist" (rolling my eyes). This always means they're brainwashed Leftwing nutjobs who love lying & slandering anyone remotely conservative (aka sane people with common sense).

If John Wayne were alive, Betamax wouldn't dare insult him from within a mile away.

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Conservative = sane people with common sense? So why do you make such huge generalizations about the people you obviously despise. I would think a person with common sense would try to frame their viewpoints in a manner a sane person might respect.

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"You get what you give" is an axiom. The OP came right out of the gate talking smack about a respected celebrity long passed away and I simply returned the favor. Hopefully s/he will learn to mind their manners, but I doubt it.

The comment about conservatives being "sane people with common sense" is a general definition (as there are hypocrites in every camp) and is in contrast to loony Libs characterized by their leaders & their blatantly ridiculous ideologies/policies, e.g. absurd gender identity lunacy, the preposterous Green New Deal, the presumed intrinsic evil of white hetero males (lol), constantly declaring the end of the world due to environmental transgressions every decade (a new ice age, acid rain, glo-bull warming, climate change -- the particular worldwide doom curiously keeps changing), etc., etc.

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... this didn't age well !

But just keep talking. At some point we will lose track of whatever point you might be trying to make and then you will be satisfied you have done your job.

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No. He was absolutely correct and you know it.

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Funny thing is that Wayne had three wives, and the three of them were Hispanic. But hey, he was a evil white male racist bigot, because politics.

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He was also misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic, (etc.)!!!

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Better them than PC!

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Anything's better than being a LIEberal sheeple.

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The short form is simply - stud.

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The OP is an ignorant moron, and so is anyone who agrees with him. Such idiots know nothing about John Wayne, either as an actor or a person. Fortunately, their opinions are irrelevant, because the Duke continues to be a huge star over four decades after his death, and intelligent viewers are realizing more and more what a great actor he was.

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Okay, to those who are whining that Wayne is unfairly being depicted as a racist, most of that goes back to this interview.

https://uinterview.com/news/john-waynes-racist-playboy-interview-from-1971-resurfaces-celebrities-react-with-anger/


There was a Playboy magazine interview from 1971 where Wayne told the world things like "I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility,” and that he didn't feel the US "...did wrong in taking this great country away from them [Native Americans]… Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”, etc. Read it for yourself, the interview is online.

So if you're a fan of Wayne the actor, fine, enjoy your stolid expressionless performances if you can. But I wouldn't make a stand on Wayne not being a racist or an asshole, that's not a good hill to die on.



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here was a Playboy magazine interview from 1971 where Wayne told the world things like "I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility,”

I'm sorry but that's not being racist.

Actually, judging a community by their behavior is the opposite of being racist.

The SJW modern position is the true racist one: black community is wonderful, no matter the crime rate, the issues with the law and the lack of civility, because... you know, black skin. Black skin is special and it overwrites behavior. Well, that's racism.

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Do people really think that way though? That seems a convenient way to dismiss anyone who calls out prejudiced behaviour or comments... oh you're just a SJW who thinks all black people are wonderful. Really? I don't buy it.

I also don't think racist behaviour is limited to white people. Anyone who believes their own race is superior to another's can be classed as racist and I reject that calling out racism is an attack on white people or culture.

And spin it anyway you want but the comment "I believe in white supremacy" is the absolute definition of racism, regardless of how he qualified it.

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That seems a convenient way to dismiss anyone who calls out prejudiced behaviour or comments... oh you're just a SJW who thinks all black people are wonderful. Really?

I said explicitly 'Black COMMUNITY'.

I also don't think racist behaviour is limited to white people.

Really??? Wow, how open-minded...

And spin it anyway you want but the comment "I believe in white supremacy" is the absolute definition of racism

You're editing out the rest of the sentence: 'until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility'.

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Just as you edited out 'regardless of how he qualified it'.

No need to loose your sh*t man. It's ok if we disagree.

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Well, he judged a community by their behavior. According to his book, that was not being racist.

Perhaps according to your book, judging a community by their behavior is racist, is it?. That's a very simple question.

PREDICTION: you're not gonna be able to answer that very simple question without evading or decorating it.

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No, that's not according to my book, although I appreciate the words being placed in my mouth like that champ. Judging an individual because of their race is racist, judging a community by behaviours you attribute to that community is just frigging stupid.

So your prediction is correct. Three cheers for kuku everyone. Hip hip....

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judging a community by behaviours you attribute to that community is just frigging stupid

Well, that's quite interesting.

Nowhere in the sentence you care about whether those behaviors that I attribute to that community are actually correctly attributed. You don't care about that.

Why is it interesting? If you're judging somebody by his behavior, that involves attributing him that behavior first. If you're judging somebody for being lazy, that involves necessarily attributing to him being lazy. You can't judge a person or a community by him/their behavior without attributing that behavior in first place. The same way you can't judge a dessert for being too sweet without attributing the quality 'being too sweet' first. Judging by any characteristic requires attributing that characteristic first, be it the behavior or any other.

Since your position is 'judging a community by behaviours you attribute to that community is just frigging stupid', and the attribution is an implicit requirement, the logical conclusion from your words is that your position is that 'judging a community by behaviours is just frigging stupid'.

In a nutshell, what I thought.



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You lost me at Well..

Look man, you're obviously passionate about this, that's cool. I'm having a bit of difficulty working out what you're trying to defend though. Wasn't this all just about Wayne's previous comment being a prejudiced thing to say? I believe it was. What Wayne himself may have failed to realise is that by saying he supports white supremacy (until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility) he is basically saying that white people are supreme over ALL races, not just black people. Whether you classify that as racist or not, I believe it's a pretty shitty attitude to have and belongs with folk from back in his day.

You might have noticed I initially questioned the OP because I too hate unsubstantiated claims of racism being thrown about willy-nilly. Fact is I don't think I have heard any other public figure state that they support white supremacy. Except maybe Adolf.

I realise we have different views on the matter, I've noticed your posts in other threads. That's the way the world is, no hard feelings from this end.

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He is basically saying that white people are supreme over ALL races, not just black people.

So he's saying (according to you) that white people are supreme over ALL races 'until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility'. According to you, what he says is that white people being supreme over ALL races... depends on blacks being educated and responsible.

You don't see anything strange in your interpretation? Maybe? Think a bit about it.

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Kuku, picking apart my every word is not the same as having a conversation. You know what I meant. He said a racist thing, why is that so hard for you to acknowledge? It's not as if it reflects on you, is it?

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Speaking as part-Abenaki, AmerIndians aren't actually "Native Americans" seeing as how their ancestors emigrated from Asia via Beringia several thousand years ago. They're no more native to the Americas than newer Americans who were born in the Western Hemisphere (i.e. Euros, blacks, etc.).They're just Older Americans.

If people (originally from Asia) simply living somewhere gave them the absolute right to stay in that particular area forever, why did the Lakota Sioux conquer other tribes to acquire "their" land in the Black Hills? Land often went back-and-forth from one tribe to another. So AmerIndians themselves committed this very crime that Libs say settlers from across the Atlantic supposedly committed. Furthermore, there were no rigid land boundaries and little indication of who supposedly owned what, not to mention thousands of square miles were up for grabs throughout the Americas.

How come Liberal Academia and modern films don't acknowledge the atrocities AmerIndians committed against white & black settlers, like the Dakota War of 1862 where Santee Sioux went on the warpath and murdered between 600-800 Euro settlers, which constituted the largest death toll inflicted upon American civilians by an enemy force until 9/11? Then there’s The Ward Massacre, The Nez Perce uprising which killed dozens of settlers in Idaho & Wyoming, and the Massacre at Fort Mims. We never hear of the countless innocent settlers who were murdered by roaming bands of young "warriors": While a chief was signing a peace treaty on the tribe's behalf they were out robbing, raping and murdering.

Tribes/clans were in constant warfare with each other and the Americas were anything but a peaceful paradise before Euros & others arrived. For instance, it’s historically documented that tribes regularly practiced barbaric torture tactics on captured enemies from other tribes -- and, later, settlers -- gouging out eyes, hashing out genitals, etc. They were in gross darkness.

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This seems.... unsubstantiated.

Never cared for Wayne as an actor (has there ever been a more one-note actor?) but what do you have to back this up?

Edit - just read Otter's post. Ok he did seem like a bit of a prat.

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Lol, he wasn't an actor, but an icon of politics.

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OP is a moronic idiot trawling through history to attack people no longer here to defend themselves, stay classy

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Agree. And John Wayne made some great movies.

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The Duke will always be a legend to me, the "woke" generation can take a running jump, what will they be judging next? better write off the entire Roman Empire, it was built on slavery ffs

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In other situations, I have asked people who hate John Wayne to give me proof of specific instances where he was racist or bigoted. they have not been able to do so. He loved America, and they just can’t stand that.

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DUMB STUFF...

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Yeah, what a retarded, bigoted US ''hero'' c**t

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