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The Richard Avedon "Some Like It Hot" session


I want to get this right, for once. Not that it'll matter, people will go on publishing the same crap. The shots Richard Avedon took of MM in her black dress with the ukulele are ALL HER. It is not another actresses body with Monroe's head. Some of the shots are slightly retouched around the waist, but otherwise, it's MM. (He did the famous life cover of her biting on the earring that day too.)

Monroe's head from one or two of those Avedon shots was placed on the body of another actress who posed w Jack and Tony in L.A. MM had just miscarried was in NYC and not up to that kind of work. (And considering what Tony had just said about working with her...) You can find those shots with the other lady and the boys. I always thought those photos--as they were finally used in the "Hot" posters-- looked weird.

But the Avedon shots are Marilyn head to toe. Because of her depression over the loss of the baby (her third miscarriage w Miller) she had to be prodded to do the Avedon session--correspondence about this exists. It had nothing to do with her weight. She was not overly-concerned about being plump. She certainly never dressed to conceal it, in any case. Nor is there any record of her asking photographers to make her look slimmer. Because the black and white Avedon's were part of a major campaign for the film, he--or somebody at United Artists--probably did the narrowing of her waist. I've seen a few of the unretouched shots and they look fine. The dress is satin or silk, so it shows every little bulge. (Remember how it looks in the movie, while she's singing "Running Wild?" Every curve is over-emphasized.) The retouching consisted mainly of making the dress look matte, instead of shiny.

Silly, I know, but I just saw those photos on one of the MM sites, with the incorrect info and it drove me crazy.

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Denis,
___On Pinterest, there is a shot of Marilyn I know nearly everyone has seen. It's taken about 1950, possibly a little earlier. She has Asphalt Jungle hair, she is lazily stretched out in a yellow bikini. Whoever posted must be one of our demure fatties who continues this campaign that if your imperfect and overweight don't be down, the greatest sex symbol of all time was a sister under and above the skin. She goes on in her description, sagging breasts, untoned tummy, stretch marks! That last comment caused me to see red. None of that was true, Marilyn was about 23 and built very sexy and healthy. Most of us know she jogged, lifted weights, but apparently did few situps.
___I suppose when your the center of so much adoration, there will always be detractors. Funny how these girls never mention someone like Delta Burke. Hardly a week goes by when I do not see a girl wearing a Marilyn t-shirt, carring a handbag, it
Dorian
___That black dress makes me b think of another photo session done in a spaghetti strap dress similar to the SGTG test dress that was to be worn in the Hawaii Hotel scenes that were never shot. Marilyn is slim looking but literally stuffed into that dress. Personally, I think she looks great at all her various weights that in fact are always within 30 pounds or so of 118. She was never really fat, nor a word doctors like to throw around today if your 15 pounds over, obese. But, for her short life and career, she fluctuated quite a bit in her weight and especially look.
Dorian

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___Hm, I apologize, I re-read my last entry and it looks like I got aomewhat carried away with the subject. My grandmother would have given me an F for run on sentences, incorrect puncuation, and paragraph truncation. I usually get into this trouble when I do these posts via mobile while also doing other things. I hope everyone will overlook it, I meant well=-O

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Dorian--

You realize you're talking to ME--the king of getting carried away, etc.? That's what these forums are for! In a positive way.

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Oh, I know the shot and the "she's imperfect" caption you are talking about. Arrggghhh! I should be ashamed to get so worked up at my great age, but it does make me insane. That particular photo shoot is one of the sexiest she ever did. (Her early pin-ups as close to raw as a rising starlet could get back then.) There are many different poses, and that one is just a more "relaxed" shot. Yes, she was super firm in the bust, arms, legs, backside. She never did much tummy work but she had her priorities. She herself seemed to like that curve of her stomach. She asked Keith Andes, while they were making "Clash By Night"---"men like this, right?" and she put his hand on her abdomen. He said yes. (The only real hunk she ever worked with!)

I think the black dress session you mention is Chicago, 1959 for the preem there of "SLIH" She IS stuffed in! That and the New York premiere of "Hot" are MM at her heaviest. But still adorable. Someplace I have a cassette with a radio broadcast of the NYC "Hot" preem. The guy is saying: "The crowd is mobbing her! She's here! She looks gorgeous! All I can see is her hair, but her HAIR looks gorgeous!" And you hear all the screaming and chaos in the background. Very exciting!

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