New vs. old


My NOS blank VHS tapes arrived yesterday and the first order of business was to make a new version of the only VHS tape I recorded as a kid that I still have: Revenge of the Ninja:

https://i.imgur.com/IN3rvcw.jpeg

The one I made in 1989 or 1990 when I was 13 or 14, I dubbed from a rental tape at SP speed using a pair of VCRs connected with RCA cables.

The one I made last night was dubbed from the full-frame (4:3) DVD release, which not only has drastically better picture quality than the official VHS release, but it's also uncut (the only way to see the uncut version way back when was in the theater or on HBO; the VHS release was inexplicably censored, despite still being rated R), onto a high-end tape in a top-of-the-line JVC VCR from 1985.

I wish there was a way to convey the difference in picture quality here; the difference is night and day. The old tape has dull colors, chroma smearing, and a lack of fine details, plus a lot of oxide dropouts. It's watchable but this new recording looks almost as good as the DVD (if you compare them both on a CRT TV over composite or RF), and there are no oxide dropouts.

No one ever saw VHS look this good during VHS's heyday. Prerecorded official VHS releases never looked this good, and homemade dubs of them looked even worse due to generational loss. Taping something from a TV broadcast didn't look this good either, because even if you had perfect reception, the source tape at the TV station (usually Betacam or Betacam SP) wasn't as high quality as DVD, plus you were recording an RF signal rather than a direct composite (CVBS) video signal.

I also just finished making a VHS copy of Young Guns (1988), because it's another movie I watched a lot on VHS when I was a kid, and it's the only other DVD I have that's full-frame (it's on a double-sided DVD which has both full-frame and widescreen). That uses up 2 of my 4 NOS tapes. I do have A Christmas Carol (1984) on Blu-ray, and since it was a made-for-TV movie, it's full-frame, but since it's on BD instead of DVD, I'd have to rip it and re-encode it to remove its pillar-boxing before recording it to a VHS tape.

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Maybe everything looked awesome back in the day and we've just been fed a lie that newer is better.

Your obsessions with video quality is commendable, there are far worse hobbies to have.

I've got a project for you if you're so inclined - take a scene from a film, make a copy and keep making copies until the image is unrecongnizable and then loop it back so you start with blurry, get clear and go to blurry. You can probably do it with just editing the same image but it sounds like you have ability to do it without cheating.

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"Maybe everything looked awesome back in the day and we've just been fed a lie that newer is better."

Newer home video formats have drastically higher resolution than VHS, but for the type of TVs that most people had during VHS's heyday, DVD is as good as it gets because it has more than enough resolution to max out the picture quality potential of an SD CRT TV. So to record a VHS tape that looks almost the same as a DVD on an SD CRT TV over composite or RF is incredible.

Two of my VCRs are hooked up, refurbished by me (new capacitors in the power supplies, head cleaning, and lubrication of the gears), and ready to go: A JVC HR-D566U (made in 1985) in my living room connected to a 32" CRT TV and a General Electric VG-7720 (manufactured by Panasonic in 1988) connected to a 19" CRT TV in my bedroom.

I'm most nostalgic about the setup in my bedroom because I've had both the VCR and the TV since they were new in 1988 (we got them both for Christmas 1988 when I was almost 14), so I especially like using that setup; I like the sounds that that particular VCR makes, I like the specific look of its picture when displayed on that particular TV that it's always been paired with, and I like using its huge remote control that I have muscle memory for dating back to when I was a kid.

Another thing I like about VCRs as opposed to DVD/BD players or digital file players is the 100% consistent and predictable fast-forward and rewind search functions. It always works the same no matter what tape you're playing, whereas with digital players, it usually goes by key frames in the digital files, and the spacing of key frames can and does vary drastically from file to file. So you can have cases where you pressed rewind for just a split second and you've gone back a couple/few minutes in the video when you only wanted to go back, say, 10 seconds.

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YOU ROCK,BRO...SO TECHNICAL BUT GEARED TOWARDS THE OLD SCHOOL....I DIG IT.



YOU ONLY MADE ONE VHS AS A KID?....I RECORDED THOUSANDS OF FILMS....BOTH FROM TV AND FROM RENTALS...I ALSO HAD A TWO VCR SETUP....WITH A VIDEO CLARIFIER BETWEEN THEM....WORKED REALLY WELL.

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Here's a video I thought you might enjoy if you haven't seen it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL2aGz8Jv48&t=82s

From the video description:

About This Video:
This lens spent 100 years in the dark, the last thing it captured must have been the horrors of World War I ... I think it was time to use it for something more light and positive.
I took this Kodak Vest Pocket camera lens with me for a short trip to Vienna (Austria) to shoot some test footage.
I must say I was pretty amazed by the sharpness and the quality of the image I saw on my screen.
It was mounted using m42 hélicoïdal adapter + M42 to C mount adapter + rubber bands from and old bike tire

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Holy shit, you too? I used to be obsessed with Revenge of the Ninja. I used to rent it all the time when I was a kid. Eventually when I got another VCR I copied the tape. I would watch it like every week. I now have the DVD version as an MP4 in my movie collection.
I recently took my old VCR out of storage. I'm planning on hooking it up to my PC and making VHS tapes of my favorite movies. Revenge of the Ninja will be one of them.
Have you tried recording a Bluray onto a VHS?

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"Have you tried recording a Bluray onto a VHS?"

Indirectly. When I first got my JVC VCR several years ago I recorded the Blu-ray version of The Terminator to VHS on it as a test (and it looked incredible for VHS, much better than the official Thorn EMI VHS release of The Terminator), but before I did that I ripped the Blu-ray and cropped the video down to 4:3 in order to make use all of the limited resolution of VHS, rather than wasting a good deal of it on black bars (letterboxing).

4:3 content is ideal for VHS and that's a problem when it comes to BD. Even if you have a movie or TV show on BD that's natively 4:3; on the BD it will be 4:3 picture content embedded in a 16:9 frame, resulting in black borders on each side (pillarboxing). You can't record that directly to VHS unless you want a little picture in the middle of the screen completely surrounded by a thick black border (windowboxing).

If you don't mind somewhat minor letterboxing then recording 1.85:1 movies on BD directly to VHS would be fine. There were even a few official VHS releases with letterboxed 1.85:1 movies, Innerspace (1987) for example. But if you do it with a 2.35:1 movie you'll get major letterboxing, which isn't good when you don't have much resolution to begin with on VHS.

For 4:3 movies and TV shows, using a DVD as the source is perfect, because, unlike with BDs, 4:3 content on a DVD has no pillarboxing, so you can record it directly to a VHS tape with no issues (like I did with Revenge of the Ninja and Young Guns; which are the only two 4:3 movies I have on DVD).

I also have the Ninja Trilogy BD box set (which includes Revenge of the Ninja), which is great for watching on my HD projector, but because it's 1.85:1 (which is its theatrical aspect ratio), it's not so good for recording to VHS.

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Wow thanks for all that info. It will come in handy.
I also have a projector. I have a desktop in my bedroom connected to a 55" Samsung TV which I use as a monitor. But I have another cable going from the PC in the bedroom to a projector in the living room. So I can output the video/audio in both rooms at the same time.
I also have a wireless keyboard and a mouse in both rooms. So no need for cables.

I wonder how it will look when I try to record the screen from my PC onto a VHS. That's what I'm planning on doing. I did it before like 15 years ago with a little gadget that lets you plug in the VGA cable and output the signal as RCA (Yellow) so you could connect it to your TV. I remember I plugged it in to my VCR and recorded the screen. I don't remember what the result was, I just know that it worked.
Recently I found this gadget that lets you hook up your HDMI cable from your PC to RCA (Y,R,W) output:

https://www.amazon.com/ABLEWE-Converter-Composite-Supporting-Blue-Ray/dp/B0C281DRZR?th=1

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"Recently I found this gadget that lets you hook up your HDMI cable from your PC to RCA (Y,R,W) output:"

That's the opposite type of device for what you want to do. That's an A/V-to-HDMI converter and you would need an HDMI-to-A/V converter. Notice that the A/V (RCA) jacks on it are labeled "input" and the HDMI jack is labeled "output." That would be used for, e.g., watching VHS tapes on a TV that only has HDMI input.

This is the type of device you need:

https://www.amazon.com/Converter-Composite-Adapter-Supports-Chromecast/dp/B08CH91V1W

Though I can't speak to the quality of that particular one. Personally, I'd be surprised if it worked well, given its cheap price, but who knows?

I have an Extron VSC 700:

https://www.extron.com/product/vsc700

Which is a professional type device that can convert "VGA" to composite (RCA), which I could use to record from my PC (which has VGA output) to a VHS tape if I wanted to. I've never used it for that though. I used my Sony Blu-ray player, which has a USB port for playing video files from a flash drive, and A/V outputs, and is already sitting on top of my JVC VCR so it was convenient to use for making a VHS recording.

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I put the wrong link in my original post. This is the one I was thinking about as well.
https://www.amazon.com/Converter-Composite-Adapter-Supports-Chromecast/dp/B08CH91V1W

That Extron VSC 700 looks sick. I noticed that it's no longer available except on E-bay.
Although, I don't know how it would work with my current setup since I no longer have VGA outputs on my Graphics card. Just an HDMI and a DVI. Right now I use HDMI to TV and the DVI connected to a DVI>HDMI converter to my HDMI projector.

I want to try out that converter from Amazon and experiment a little. See what the quality is like.

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If your video card's DVI port is DVI-A or DVI-I then it would work with the Extron. DVI-A has analog (VGA) output pins and DVI-I has both analog and digital output pins. If it's DVI-D (strictly digital; analog pins are inactive) then it won't work. You would need a suitable cable to connect your PC to the Extron (DVI-A to RGBHV [BNC connectors], or VGA to RGBHV + DVI-A to VGA passive adapter [those are cheap because all they do is change the pinout]).

My video card has VGA, DVI-I, and HDMI outputs. I use VGA to my CRT PC monitor and HDMI to my projector. The only time I've used its DVI connector was for about a week several years ago, connected to an LCD monitor (I hate those things) while I fixed my CRT monitor.

I don't know if Extron makes a newer version that can convert HDMI / DVI-D to A/V or not. If they do, or if anyone else makes a professional grade one, I'm sure it's pricey.

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Wow, you still have a CRT monitor? Do they even make those anymore?
I use FreeBSD (UNIX) as my main OS and sometimes I got to drop to command line. It would be awesome to see it on CRT like I used to back in day (90's).

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Mine was made in 2004. I had to fix it in 2017 (replaced all ~100 electrolytic capacitors and resoldered cracked yoke connector joints), and again about a year ago (cracked yoke connector joints again).

CRTs in general haven't been made since about 2007. I have a bunch of them; at least 25 in various forms (TVs, PC monitors, and arcade monitors).

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It's always the capacitors.
I have an old Samsung HDTV that died on me after 10 years and it was the capacitors as well. A bunch of them on the power control board were all swollen. Picked up a couple replacements at an electronic store, resoldered, TV as as good as new. I keep it around as a backup in case my current TV (The one I use as my monitor) dies.

I have a bunch of them; at least 25 in various forms (TVs, PC monitors, and arcade monitors).

That's awesome. I wish I had an old CRT TV still lying around.

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In this case the cracked yoke connector solder joints were the main problem, which caused black lines to flash across the screen and the picture to jump around. It started doing the same thing last year because those solder joints cracked again.

In 2017 when I replaced all of the electrolytic capacitors in addition to resoldering those cracked joints for the first time, a couple of the big filter capacitors were visibly bad (leaking and corroded), which wasn't helping matters, but it also wasn't the primary cause of the problem. I planned to replace them all anyway regardless of whether any of them seemed bad, just as a matter of preventative maintenance.

On the other hand, my JVC and GE/Panasonic VCRs (from 1985 and 1988 respectively) both had problems that were definitely caused by bad electrolytic capacitors in their power supplies (the GE had wavy motion in the picture and the JVC had even worse wavy motion plus other major distortions going on). Replacing their power supply capacitors fixed them both.

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