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Sorry, but no. Taxes should be based on property value. I don't have much sympathy for people who can afford multi million dollar houses that increase in value, but I do feel sorry for people who live in up and coming neighborhoods who bought houses at a low price, but because of flippers and renovators, suddenly have their property taxes increased because of the new construction and/or renovations.

Concerning your example - if you have a nice property ,(and nice is the key word), that suddenly becomes worth considerably more and you don't want to pay the increased taxes, then sell for a very nice profit and smile all the way to the bank.

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Pushing people out of their family home into a lower socio economic area. Laughing? Really?

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You're missing the point. If values increase that much,(and again I'm referring to big increases), then people can sell and no way will they be forced into a lower socio economic area.

But as I previously mentioned, it is a problem for lower income people or seniors who are barely getting by to suddenly have to pay considerably more for property taxes. In many states there is a Homestead clause in the tax system which lets people over 65 pay lower taxes if they don't exceed a income threshold.

And it is totally unfair to base taxes simply on purchase price. Lots of people buy undervalued property and then renovate it, substantially increasing the value. Why should they pay less property tax than someone who buys a house that is valued correctly?

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They deserve to pay less because they were smart enough to game the system. Some people are smart, some are dumb, survival of the fitness bud. Property Tax is a huge fucking scam to begin with, what do you want? Old people being kicked out of there homes they worked there whole lives for just cause some libturd politician feels entitled to their shit?!?

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> And it is totally unfair to base taxes simply on purchase price. Lots of people buy undervalued property and then renovate it,

When you do a renovation the contractor is supposed to file a plan with the city building dept. and they can do a new housing appraisal. If you buy an undervalued property and it gets re-appraised the taxes will go up.

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most places grandfather are you in when you buy the house, my friends aunt moved into the ghetto of LA back in the 1980s now it has been gentrified and a bunch of rich libturds moved in. While the new rich libturds pay ridiculous taxes on their props my friends aunts pays a reasonable amount similar to what a 1980s ghetto house would be. I too buy a house in 2018 for half price what it is today, my prop tax went up slightly but if were to rebuy my house today I would probably get totally fucked on it. Thats why I tell kids hustle hard when you are young and build that cash stack early because 1$ is worth more yesterday than it is today....

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Why hasn't their tax gone up to reflect its worth?

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cause they want to punish the new wave of rich people coming in with the tax bruden, not the old residence who built the city and survived the chaos the 90s. They earned there cheap property tax for living there for 40 years...

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I'm guessing if Jim Carey bought a house for $3.8 million in 1994, it's probably in Malibu or Beverly Hills or some other toney area of Los Angeles.

California has a law called Proposition 13, and the assessed (taxable) value of the property can only increase by 2% a year. I don't what the math is for $3.8 million x 1.02 for 30 years... Prop Tax rate is a little over 1%, which would be $250,000+ for $25 million house.

My sister lives in a house my parents bought before 1974, her property taxes probably wouldn't pay for one cop for one day... she inherits the house and the old assessed values...

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what if a house was a hundred years old?

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Sell it.
Then you know the price and can pay the tax. ☺

Seriously now, even in the USA there must be price estimate lists.

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Most of the real estate websites give pretty good estamates of a house's worth.
Zilllow has, or used to have Z-Estimate. It is usually a bit high.

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I REALLY needed them.

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Why would the age make any difference?

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that's the op's argument

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Everybody bickers about this, that, and the other tax. No one likes taxes.

But real estate taxes? I think it would be easy to not bother "collecting" taxes every year, you make a system where every July 1 or whatever, the government (Fed, State, County) slaps a lien on the property and they own 1%. And next year 2%, and so on and so forth. The tax gets collected when the property is sold.

I know it's more complicated than that, but it seems better than what we do today.

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They can't sit around and wait for things to sell.

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"They" usually sit when "they" produce your tax bill. 😬​

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> The tax gets collected when the property is sold.

That happens today.

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No. Today you have to write checks every year. If you DON'T write checks every year for a number of years, there will be a forced sale, that is true.

I'm only talking about the property taxes, not any gains from appreciation.

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Is this in CA I'm assuming.
When you buy a house in CA your tax basis is set based on your
original price. It is only allowed to go up no greater than 2%.
That is because of the Proposition 13 tax rules because people
were having to sell their houses and ending up homeless or broke
because property taxes were going up so fast in the 1970s'.
This makes inflation in general a kind of good thing for property
holders because once you pay off your house your economic
future is steady.
When or if the property gets sold the seller pays capital gains tax on the
sales price, and the new buyer inherits a new. usually higher tax
basis, and our normalized 2% rate of inflation helps the new buyer
as it did the old buyer.
You can't base tax on what the house is worth because the only way
to determine what a house is worth is when someone pays to buy it.

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"This makes inflation in general a kind of good thing for property"

What makes inflation "good" is when you purchase a property using a 30-year fixed rate fully amortizing loan at, say, 3%, and inflation increases to 8%, your real out of pocket housing cost takes a relatively smaller bite out of your budget (assuming your paycheck also increases 8%.)

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"people were having to sell their houses and ending up homeless or broke
because property taxes were going up so fast in the 1970s."

I thought you previously made posts that expressed the sentiment that "if you can't afford it, move somewhere else." Perhaps I misinterpreted something...

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They're thinking about doing away with the Personal Property Tax where I live, mainly because you already pay tax on the item you purchased, so why should you have to pay tax on it again every year?? I hope they do

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What is "personal property tax?" I know in L.A. they used to have (maybe they still have it) a "Business Property Tax" that you have to file a tax return for machinery, computers, furniture, etc., different classes have different tax rates. I don't remember if I had to schedule out assets by date of purchase and if older assets had a lower tax rate... For personal vehicles there is a portion of annual DMV registration that is "property tax."

In California I don't have to pay sales tax on a gallon of milk, but I have to pay sales tax on toothpaste, soap, etc. I don't see the point of that. Also, I'd bet that, after excluding vehicle sales, probably only 60% of sales taxes collected are actually paid to the Sales Tax Collector... all the mom and pop taco trucks, restaurants, flea markets, swap meets, etc.

I say get rid of the sales tax and increase the real estate taxes.

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My Real Estate Taxes last year were $1400.00

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So when you say "Personal Property Tax" you're talking about taxes on your personal residence?

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Stuff like my Honda Civic & Honda Passport. I pay PP Tax on them

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There's more to it than value. Property owners in working-class areas pay higher property taxes than those in rich areas. My local newspapers have been complaining about that for decades. This article explains the reason:
https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/poverty/543000-huge-new-study-shows-homes-in-poor-areas-are-taxed-at-twice/

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