I'll always see marriage as the union of a man and a woman. And I have a right to that view. That's how it was for me growing up and hundreds of years beforehand. Why should I be made to feel bad about that? Called names like 'bigot' or slurs about my own sexuality?
Yes, the times do change, doesn't mean I have to agree with everything or view everything as justice or correction of inequities etc.
I disagree with the first paragraph but agree with the second. I hate when people say that times have changed as if that automatically makes it right.
shareYou don't have to agree. Obama had the same view when he took office, and so did Hillary at one time.
Personally, I'm ok with it although I don't believe it should have been imposed by the Supreme Court through yet another specious decision. It should have been done by each state through the regular legislative process.
I agree with that. They were in the process of doing that here when the Supreme Court stepped up and said it's done.
shareDon’t marry a dude then.
sharePersonally, I think that two dudes (o two chicks) that want to formalize their relationship should have the right to do so. Call it 'marriage' or call it whatever you like. The only thing to debate would be adoption, since it involves a third person. Anything else, it's their fucking life.
shareThe world does not have to pander and revolve around you because it's "your fucking life", whether it's about gay marriage or anything else. And toss around the term "fucking" so it loses it's meaning, unfortunately. (or you wish to sound provocative)
Interesting. But I missed what was your argument there. A marriage, a civil union or whatever formal union between two people, at the end of the day, it's a contract between two people. You want to meddle in a contract between two people, it's you who has to argue why you should have that right. You didn't provide any argument.
shareBecause marriage is more than a (shallow) contract, like a certificate of marriage is more than a piece of paper. However, my problem was with your casual "its their fucking life" --which is not much of an argument either. I was not referring to a ''civil union'' and whatever that entails (monetary contract?) vs. a traditional marriage with adopted children. I'd need to know what specific difference you mean between ''civil union, marriage, formal union". Also, I expressed more on the topic in my reply to the OP.
shareBecause marriage is more than a (shallow) contract, like a certificate of marriage is more than a piece of paper.
I was not referring to a ''civil union'' and whatever that entails
I'd need to know what specific difference you mean between ''civil union, marriage, formal union".
You're speaking abstract rhetoric..have no idea what you're saying. Anyway, hetero-couples live together without being married and have children, so I dont' know what type of "union" you'd label that, if any. No kudos.
shareYou're speaking abstract rhetoric..have no idea what you're saying.
hetero-couples live together without being married and have children, so I dont' know what type of "union" you'd label that, if any.
Your argument is just to keep saying "You still haven't provided a single argument". And with your roommates comment, those couples may have something to say about how you perceive them.
shareYour argument is just to keep saying "You still haven't provided a single argument".
And with your roommates comment, those couples may have something to say about how you perceive them.
Even some GAY people may not agree with gay marriage either, without being ashamed or closeted. The out-of-control world we live in thinks every element must be "equal" or accepted, or people are being bigoted.
We have lost everything inherent about human nature, akin to mankind being like objects. It's another form of narcissism and selfishness to feel entitled because of "I want it, so give it to me". And there is no consideration to the children of gay parents. None. It very well may affect the children. Their reply is always "children are raised by awful straights". True, but that has nothing to do with the dynamics of gay marriage.
I wish you could meet my friend Lilly. Both her parents came out after she was born and she was raised by two sets of gay parents. She is the kindest, most wonderfully adjusted person I know. I guess because her parents loved and protected her, despite who agreed or disagreed with their lifestyle.
shareGreat point.
When Australia had the gay marriage debate, they showed a gay couple and the man was proposed to by his boyfriend but he still believed in the Bible and said that gay marriage is not God's plan. I found it quite strange, as on one hand, he's living in sin, but then understood that he didn't need the rules changed for validate his lifestyle. He accepted that what he was doing was not God's plan.
I think you've summed up this era perfectly, it is a form of narcissism and selfishness a lot of these social changes that occur, with no big view of how it will affect society long term.
Just to counter the topic of consideration of the children. https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/
shareI don't open links (or know what side of the fence you're on) but if the article is confirming that children of gay parents are well-adjusted, happy and well-cared for, it's not the crux of having both a male/female role model as parents. There are some things about the human-condition which are not intrinsically related to "equal rights" in the way that people use the term. Nor, do I think religion necessarily is a factor; people feel a certain way without religion being their teacher (or even being religious)
shareI’m gonna check the last few threads but I don’t remember anyone asking for your opinion .
shareI bet you like to drink beer and watch ultimate fighting championship in woman’s panties
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