Today's PC culture and the Right and Left. - General Discussion Discussion

[–] chilone (18315) 5 years ago

I'm not trying to start an argument but today's liberals don't seem to support freedom, at all. The PC culture is a prime example of this, to the point of limiting free speech, etc. Also, as far as diversity of opinion goes, it's liberal schools that ban people whom they don't agree with, from speaking.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10712) 5 years ago

Liberals support free speech. They aren't liberals. Your left is my right.

When it comes to our (US) government, Bernie Sanders comes closer to my beliefs and I don't support anyone else, but I'm tired of identity politics, and I'm flexible with a few things. I don't care if they do nothing about guns (and maybe get something in return, like more mental health accommodations), and I don't mind lowering immigration. I'd love Norwegian immigrants -- that's real diversity.

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[–] samoanjoes (58554) 5 years ago

I don't know if you're Canadian, BillHicks but in Canada we have a politician named Maxime Bernier. He was running for Prime Minister and said he wanted to lower immigration from 250K to 150K, which is still the average of other Western Countries. He further added that immigration is great but too much immigration makes us lose our Canadian identity. Once he said that, he got accused of being a white supremacist (as if white people can't be immigrants) and that he was trying to create a "white only" country. I don't even support him, but those accusations were way out of line.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10712) 5 years ago

I'm American and we have almost 350 million. We need lebensraum!

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[–] chilone (18315) 5 years ago

Liberals support free speech. They aren't liberals. Your left is my right.

Well, the universities, etc., who ban people who they disagree with call themselves liberals. What are they, then?

"I don't mind lowering immigration. I'd love Norwegian immigrants -- that's real diversity."

A LOT of these so called liberals would say that's a very racist statement.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10712) 5 years ago

I can call myself Napolean, but it doesn't make me so.

To me, they are right-wingers who support abortion. Many say what they think is allowable. They measure outrage by how much its going to cost them financially. No one can seriously tell me the Democrats running for President all of a sudden changed their views in their 70s.

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[–] chilone (18315) 5 years ago

Well, Biden changes his views all the time, lol.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10712) 5 years ago

Biden doesn't believe in anything. The Republicans should love him. All his accomplishments were very right-winged. He's voted for every war, voted to help Wall St., at every turn. Helped repeal Glass-Steagull. He co-sponsored the Bankruptcy laws which only hurt the most desperate. Co-sponsored The Crime Bill, which sent a million to jail. The 3-strikes you're out sent one guy who stole pizza to prison for life (after writing 2 bad seperate checks). He's a plagiarist, which is why he dropped out the Presidential race in 1988. He thinks he's good because he was afraid of SodaPop. He supporter Clintons' right-winged plan to basically get rid of the little social welfare we had, in 1994, which will end up costing more in the long run, but of course politicians only care about short-term, and/or whatever helps them win the next election. He supporter Clinton's NAFTA, which destroyed the middle-class. Morons will say "Well, it started with H.W.", but not realize they had nothing close to a veto-proof Congress, and the bill would have died instantly, but they were more interested in deregulating Wall Street, especially the telecommunications which is another reason we have 6 companies who run 90% of the media. He constantly uses his son's death for political reasons. He's never been able to raise money, and still can't. And we know about the corruption of the other son, who got millions for a job you are more qualified for. It's on tape.

And in the general, Trump is not going to take it easy on him like the DNC. Ever debate, the only thing Biden can say is "The most important thing is to defeat Trump" (meaning he has no reasons to support him). They'll show videos of him touching and sniffing women 24/7. You'll see tons of things online he said (and actions like opposing integration) that many will consider racist and sit home.

99% of the Democrats go along with it. People are duped when they hear a speech, or when they mention a few stock votes that took zero courage and regurgitate them constantly.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Wow. That was amazing. And right on the mark.
Trump is looking forward to debating whoever they nominate.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10712) 5 years ago

Thank you.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

But this is part of my question. You've put all Liberals in the same box there. And yes, many do behave that way. But I regard what you have described as Liberal Extremism. As I said above, I am a Liberal yet I am against all this extreme PC culture and am for free speech.

I think the problem is that over the past couple of years Liberalism has moved further left to the point that it has become the opposite of the freedom it is supposed to represent. It has become another form of control. But that doesn't mean that every Liberal has moved with it. I haven't moved. I'm a Liberal but I have the same beliefs as before the rise of extreme PC culture. So perhaps we need a new term to refer to these new Liberal Extremists. Or a new term for people like myself. I'm not petty. I can take another name and let them keep the Liberal term.

But my question to you is- why did you put all Liberals in the same box. I'm not trying to criticize because many people do this. But it is related to my OP question and I am curious about this phenomena.

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[–] chilone (18315) 5 years ago

Fair enough. You're right. There are plenty of sensible liberals. The "extremists" are the ones who shout the loudest and identify as "liberals" so it's easy to make generalizations. It's those who I'm referring to.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

Haha, they do indeed shout the loudest. But I think it's in everybody's interest to start referring to them as "Liberal Extremists". They will like being called "Liberals", you're giving them exactly what they want. They are proud of being "Liberals".

If you call them "Liberal Extremists" they will probably hate it. And if the term starts to stick they may start to question why they are being referred to this way. It might force some of them to look outside themselves and question some of their controlling and patronizing behavior. It might not, but at the very least it could discourage others from supporting Extreme PC culture.

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[–] chilone (18315) 5 years ago

Agreed. :)

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Agreed. The problem is that the extremists are the loudest and the more moderate liberals don't seem to speak at all. Emphasis on "seem".

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[–] samoanjoes (58554) 5 years ago

Seeing how you identify as a liberal, I'll try to say this with you specifically in mind. Many liberals claim to be against racism. However, in their eyes being against racism means to tell white people they have white privilege and say that you can't be racist to white people. There are other people who are against racism as well, but they can't get on board with the concept of white privilege and criticism of white people constantly, that they decide to become conservative. People have become so PC that they think by fighting racism with being racist toward a race who has done wrong in the past, is a form of progressivism. The problem now is that by other being conservative, they are automatically accused of being racist because they think a little different than people are expected to.

I posted a thread a few days ago where I stated how difficult it must be for a black conservative because once they announce they're on the right, they get accused by other black people of being an "Uncle Tom", "coon" or a "house negro". People should be able to think as individuals and not be expected to think collectively.

This is why I'm neither liberal or conservative. Think for yourself without worrying about what other people think.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

And I think both Liberal and Conservative seem to have become dirty words today. I respect your decision to be neither and think for yourself.

But when you say that "There are other people who are against racism as well, but they can't get on board with the concept of white privilege and criticism of white people constantly, that they decide to become conservative", why do you think this is?

Why do you think people think "I don't like all this Extreme PC talk therefore I will go and support the Free Market and Privatisation". The two notions are unrelated. And this is the unusual phenomena I'm interested in here.

Why don't they just say- "I don't like all this Extreme PC talk therefore I will speak up against it." Why the sudden Political affiliation change?

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[–] samoanjoes (58554) 5 years ago

I think it's because it's resentment. If a white man gets told constantly that he has white privilege even though the accused doesn't know him personally, I can see someone deciding to distance himself with that kind of thinking.

Personally I think there are cases of white privilege (just as there are other privileges), but the idea of making that assumption on someone they don't know is ridiculous. For all they know, they grew up in a white minority city.

To answer the last part, I think people feel that they have to be either liberal or conservative. When they realize a certain side is behaving a certain way, they go to the other side because they don't want to be associated with them.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

I think you're right. And I think it's a stupid way of life. There should at the very least be a third side. A think for yourself side. I know some people are in the centre. But you rarely hear from them unfortunately. I think there should be a lot more choice regarding who you can vote for. Having only two parties you can vote for just perpetuates this one side or the other mentality. We may have more than two over here in the UK but only two of them have ever got in.

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[–] samoanjoes (58554) 5 years ago

Same here in Canada. We just got a 6th party, but it's only been liberals and conservatives.

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[–] BillHicksFan (10712) 5 years ago

I've actually gone the other way. When I see that bullshit, it only repels me.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

All this pc crap is taking our right to freedom of speech. When i was kid you called a retard a retard and a midget a midget.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

When I was a kid there were pub that held dwarf throwing contests and the bus that took the retards and spastics to school was blue. That coined the term "blue bus" to describe anyone who was stupid.

Oh and we still had one and two cent pieces and if you had lots of them you would throw them all in the air and yell "Jew jump" and everyone would scramble to pick them up.

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[–] BurningSun (717) 5 years ago

I’m 42 years old, so not really a millennial. Growing up, we called ding-dong-ditching “nigger knocking”. We didn’t know any better. Looking back, it wasn’t cool or funny. You don’t think any of that stuff you listed was shitty or out of date? You don’t think it’s unfair to call people born with mental disabilities stupid, when they cant help it?

Not sure if I’m an SJW or someone just using common sense. You call a stupid person stupid, not someone with downs syndrome. Just because it was the 1980’s or whatever doesn’t make it cool or something. “Back n the day we could beat every gook on 7th Ave within an inch of their life, but them libtards would never let that happen nowadays!”

If you’re really using your freedom of speech to call mentally handicapped people “stupid” or homosexuals “faggots”, you’re really not using it right. I think our founding fathers had intended for freedom of speech to be used in much more important ways.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Thanks for proving my point. Humour and resilience is dead. I'd explain further but you are entrenched in your beliefs and I'd just trigger you unnecessarily.

Not to mention you were so keen to push your agenda that you didn't even bother to ask what I meant by my post. If of course I meant anything at all.

I'll cheer for you in the victimhood olympics.

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[–] BurningSun (717) 5 years ago

Go ahead, give a trigger. You seem way more triggered than me, so let me share some of that triggered. I know it’s the way of the conservative to call anyone who asks a valid argument “triggered” and I understand.

Besides, if calling a mentally disabled person “stupid” is a joke or something, it’s not very clever. Maybe I’m just dense. I hear the argument alot. “Calm down liberal, I was only kidding when I called him a nigger-lipped coon!” Oh, pardon me. Clearly I didn’t understand that excellent joke. Whoops!

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Retards are retards. Doesnt mean they are stupid

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[–] BillHicksFan (10712) 5 years ago

Justice is very important, but I call them "trendy justice whoriors" and will never take on the REAL issues. Its another way to make money from the current currency while doing/thinking whatever they want anyway. Remember the 2016 debate? Some piece of shit actually asked everyone, "Is it 'black lives matter' or 'all lives matter'" -- again, empty words. Conformist and spineless.

Its so easy to say "End Racism", because they don't have to do a fucking thing. You can't legislate kindness and understanding. I haven't heard about housing for all the homeless, because its work, and its something tangible. Just like the environment. There's almost nothing we can do about it, so they can always use this as an ace-in-the-hoe up their sleeve, while using their polluting jet planes. What do they do? They'll tag on a pro-environment sticker on the back of their car as if to say "What else do you want from me? Don't you see my sticker? I support the (my) environment".

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[–] BurningSun (717) 5 years ago

This I certainly agree with. The PC Police don’t really say or do anything about political issues except calling them out for being wrong. Which, duh, they obviously are.

Alot of white liberals actually said stuff like “racism is over” when Obama was elected president. As if every racist just looked at the TV on inauguration day and said “hmm, I guess they aren’t so bad.” When liberal minorities still fought against racism, a lot of white liberals were calling pansies because “there can’t be racism if the nation voted for a black guy!”

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Racism will never end until its humans vs. something else.

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[–] AndyKing1967 (39801) 5 years ago

Did you just steal that from 'Watchmen', lol.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Never seen it. Pretty much common sense.

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[–] AndyKing1967 (39801) 5 years ago

I was just teasing you (best graphic novel ever btw and very good film too imho).

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 5 years ago

So called racism will never end because it's encoded into the genes by way of tribal behaviour which predates our species.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Sure i get that. Thats why i joined a gang when i was a kid.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Agreed. Humanity will be racist until they have a common enemy.

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[–] samoanjoes (58554) 5 years ago

When I was a kid, I would hear mothers tell their daughters to dress appropriately and respect yourself. Now if a woman dresses a certain way and someone makes a comment, it's "slut shaming".

Also when I was a kid, our parents told us not to do drugs. Nowadays if someone has a drug addiction, you can't judge because "it's a serious disease".

We have become too politically correct where people are now scared of saying something without being accused of some new phrase.

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

No one has taken your right to free speech, you can still say those things. What you want is public approval to say hateful things but you never had it, not 50 years ago, not today.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Not 50 years ago? Lmao there was no PC police in the good ole days. It was common to call a black person the n word by every white. Even by a priest.

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

Only common if you hung around white trash and racists, just like today.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Lol learn your history donkey.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

that's not true. I was 8 years old fifty years ago. That was considered a very bad curse word in my house, no one ever said it. I was shocked as a teen, when I actually heard someone say it.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Well my grandfather said he never met a white that wasnt racist. But he had to drink from the colored fountain.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I'm sorry for your Grandfathers segregation and oppression, I can certainly see why he would have that attitude.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Sorry for what? I wasnt there and neither were you. White guilt and pc bullshit is turning America communist.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

for your Grandfather's segregation and oppression.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

Hes dead. Hes over it

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

Your grandfather sounds like a racist.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

He is and so is everyone else.

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[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 5 years ago

And 50 years ago was only the 70s. Go further back

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

You confirmed my suspicions.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

You are correct, no one has taken the right to free speech but it's more about an atmosphere that has been created.

I have the right to go to a funeral dressed as a Transformer if I choose. But obviously it would be incredibly inappropriate and I would be detested by all attendees, all the attendees friends and acquaintances and however far the news will travel. Which in the day and age of youtube and facebook is pretty far.

Now similar kinds of reactions are currently being applied to some of the most mundane of casual mistakes. If you're genuinely being hateful then yes you deserve it. But there is an atmosphere around today where everyone is trying to catch each other out and offense is taken all over the place as so called "microaggressions" are frequently read into things. There is no leeway for reasonable discussion, debate and analysis.

Here's a couple of "microaggressions" as an example:

Saying "you guys" to a group of men and women.

Complimenting a woman's shoes.

I didn't make those up, those have been actual real complaints.

It's like a form of control through shame and character assassination. A lot of offensive comedy and jokes are being satirical. And you need satire. There is a threat to art because artists are forced to write characters how they are supposed to be rather than how they really are or their work will be boycotted and critically slammed. Everything is becoming inappropriate.

We still have the right to free speech. But at some point a lot of this censorship will probably be integrated into law.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Welcome to the communication age where every petty little complaint can find pathetically petty little minds to agree.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.

The useful idiots also known as Leftards are so entrenched in their dogma and so hungry to just keep pushing their nonsense that try can't even see that the destruction of white culture is also the destruction of their own.

I can't see Mustafa or Sanjeep embracing LGBTIQ or becoming atheists in large numbers let alone supporting other left wing clap trap.

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[–] chilone (18315) 5 years ago

Did you know, it's now unacceptable do dress up as anything on Halloween?

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I believe it. We must not misappropriate zombie culture.

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[–] chilone (18315) 5 years ago

Don't forget how misogynous and discriminatory "Men"sa is!!!

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Lol!

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 5 years ago

It's the same old thing that happened in the 1960's with the "counter culture", the feminists and the hippies. Young people thought that their parents generation were a bunch of old fogeys who knew nothing and that young people were going to turn the world upside down and in their infinite wisdom change everything for the better. The young Woke Folk are exactly like the counter culture in that regard.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

Oh yeah, I can totally see the analogy. The difference is that in the 60s those changes were progressive. The changes the Woke Folk are making today are regressive. They are undoing everything that was achieved in the 60s. Making us all repressed once more.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 5 years ago

The undermining of moral behaviour, marriage, the family and the underlying ethos of Western Civilisation was progressive ? And it was all done for purely selfish reasons to do with personal gratification. At least the Woke Folk, however naive they are, think they are saving the world.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

Yes, it was progressive when those institutions you describe led to repressed emotions that are harmful to mental health. If you want to have a family then that's great but you shouldn't be forced into thinking that's the way you have to be. That moral behavior you mention came from Christianity, an institution that gives you an excuse to impose your own strict morals upon other people and judge them for not measuring up.

And if that progression hadn't been made do you think we'd have the films we have today (amongst many other forms of art). Do you think we'd have the likes of Fight Club? Hell, the average Marvel film would probably be banned for a multitude of offences.

Do you think we'd be able to have a proper in depth discussion about important many matters if we weren't aloud the freedom of language that would be considered taboo back then?

The fact that the Wolk Folk think they are saving the world is what makes them narcissistic and arrogant. Many of them are doing it for selfish reasons too. They are doing it for appearances sake. To appear heroic.

It is possible to be for diversity and equality and against racism without being condescending but unfortunately they haven't mastered it.

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 5 years ago

Because people don't have a common enemy anymore. The Satan, the giants, the barbars, the savages, the nazi, the communists, etc. We don't have them evil villains.

But humans are humans. We need enemies to feel better about ourselves. To make sure that WE are on the RIGHTEOUS side.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 5 years ago

It's the tribal instinct. How can there be a united "us" unless there is a rival "them" to unite against? This is the simple fact of which globalists are being wilfully blind. In this way human beings by nature are anti-globalist and when the chips are down people will regroup into us versus them and the carnage will begin all over again.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

I think you're right.

I still don't think it answers my curiosities. Why are certain political ideas boxed together when they have nothing to do with one another.

But what you say is interesting all the same.

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[–] actionkamen (23176) 5 years ago

Like I said, to create a common enemy. So the question is that are you red team or blue team.

If you're red team then you do / like / agree what read team does and oppose / dislike / disagree on whatever the blue team does.

Basically, are you with us or againts us?

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

If you look at political parties as organizations dedicated to attaining and holding power rather than ideologies their methods and motivations are more understandable.

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

Good thing that politics forum is so prominent, lol.

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[–] JustinJackFlash (161) 5 years ago

I didn't post in the politics forum because I was interested in responses from a range of different people rather than just political experts.

And I think PC culture is an issue of sociology, amongst other things. Not just political.

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[–] McQualude (4231) 5 years ago

It's politically motivated, a way of consolidating groups by making them feel persecuted.

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