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Are you an egalitarian?


Do you value all humans?

And if not, why not?

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I don't, because some have no value, they are a waste of air and would be best 6 feet underground. Terrorists, dictators and rapists are some of those. I hate the claim that everyone has an equal value. Value is something you have to deserve and something you can lose.

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But no-one is born a terrorist, or a dictator, or a rapist. So when they come out of the womb they surely have as much potential capacity to be as productive and as worthy a human-being as anyone else.

Besides, I'm against the death penalty. I have a problem with the state deciding who is worthy of life and who is deemed unfit to continue breathing. I don't know whether God exists (probably not), but hypothetically only God should decide who gets to live and who gets to die.

Moreover, the right to life should not be conditional. No-one should have to prove that they deserve to live.

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Yeah, while i think some are actually born evil as in that they are naturally lacking a functioning concience i still agree most is based on the upbringing and not the person. I'm talking convicted people though, people who did horrible things, they have no value to me. They used it up. I think most who have a problem with the state deciding over life and death would have a change of mind when it happened to someone they loved. It's easy to say when everything is fine and dandy. Try having someone in your family raped or mutilated and then see if you still have the same opinion. It's possible you would but probably not. I don't get how someone can want someone guilty of such things to walk the same ground as themselves, but i still respect your opinion, i just don't really understand why.

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I think most who have a problem with the state deciding over life and dath would have a change of mind when it happened to someone they loved. It's easy to say when everything is fine and dandy. Try having someone in your family raped or mutilated and then see if you still have the same opinion. It's possible you would but probably not.
Oh, I have no doubt that if a close loved one was subjected to a particularly horrific crime I'd want to see the perpetrator hung, drawn and quartered (for what it's worth, I do have close family members who have been subjected to serious crime, but thankfully nothing that has permanently destroyed them or my family).

But that's why justice and criminal sentencing should not be left to victims or anyone else with a particular subjective and personal relationship to the case in hand (no matter how sympathetic their perspective). The law should be above vengeance and retribution.

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Keeping these people around costs money and resources though that could've gone to someone who deserved it, everytime someone innocent starves or freezes to death you have to remember it's because you cared more about holding some useless meatsack alive which would only be useful as wormfood. They just drain the society. Very unfair i feel.

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Yes.

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I don't know really. I don't believe in the death penalty but if I had a gun in my hand standing in front of Hitler or one of his henchmen, I couldn't promise I wouldn't pull the trigger.

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If you could foresee what Hitler would do, then of course, it would be the moral thing to take his life for the benefit of a far greater number of people.

As much as I advocate treating all human-beings as equal, except for extremely serious criminals (including serial rapists and murderers, who I nevertheless believe should be incarcerated as opposed to executed), I support the utilitarian approach to life and death. Clearly if one has to weigh up the value of one life versus millions of lives, then the moral thing is to favour the latter especially if one believes, as I do, that each life (barring the aforementioned violent and recidivist criminals) is equal.

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Yes, I do.

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