I don't identify with any of the Trans or Lesbian films

would you like elaborate a bit on what exactly you mean with "Transformation" and not really being trans"

do you feel too many films about trans people are about transitioning?


I consider there to be zero quality trans actresses in films in Hollywood.

Have you seen Tangerine (2015) some real talent in that film. Laverne Cox is doing great on OITNB, granted that isn't a film TV's Transparent also has a strong cast. Also, do you mean that Trans actresses lack the dramatic skill to accurately portray characters, to assume that ab ebtire group of people are bad at their job based on gender identity seems wildly prsumptious if that is

You mention identifying with films, is it important for you to see youself reflected in a film? Because unless there is a film made about you specifically or a documentary about your unique circumstances chances are it is unlikely that you will be able to fully identify. The reason I am interpreting your description of "Identify" like this is because your post suggest you have never come across a succesful depiction in cinema of Trans people, which might suggest that it is because you on some level feel it does not reflect you (specifically) rather than the experience of being trans (generally) enough for your liking.

You may not be The Danish Girl or Sofia on OITNB, your life may not be reflected in the day to day life of the cast of characters in Tangerine, but these are still stories about trans people, not all trans people of course and maybe too far removed from your own unique experiences, but on some level they related to being trans. You may also want to branch out and give films about/featuring trans men a chance too, there is every possibility that that a film can still reach you or feels genuine without it hitting 100% home in every aspect in regards to how closely it follows your own life.

In regqards to your comment on films about lesbians. Lesbians come in all different shapes and sizes, identities, backgrounds ec. What exactly quakifies for you a proper depiction of being lesbian? have you ben unhappy with the storylines of the films you've seen? The characters? The acting performances? please elaborate.

I do hope you won't take my moany questions as attacks and if I have misinterpreted something please let me know. I am genuinely curious to hear where you are coming from with thisand I am convinced that you will be able to find films dealing with both topics that you can enjoy on some level.


Peace

I haven't seen all the material out there but the most prevalent material I am familiar with the scripts on. Shows that depict transformations such as Danish Girl and Transparent don't relate to the experience of actually living socially as trans, only becoming socially trans. That's a very big difference.
Laverne Cox has been celebrated over and over as some type of major acting talent because of her role as a prison inmate who stole hormones on Orange is the New Black. Obviously that is a bit of a dubious role and once again pokes at her trans mindset regarding hormones. A real character role wouldn't focus on being trans so much. The character would just coincidentally be trans. How boring would it be to make a film where the entire plot was that a woman was a woman or that a man is a man? People don't seem to get this when it comes to trans. How boring can the movie scripts be when a trans person shows up and the trans aspect is all that is addressed.
It should also be noted that the upcoming trans nation film festival tells beauty contestants not to illustrate any "negative innuendos" or they will be disqualified. Someone like America's first award winning trans, singer Bralalalala, would never win such a contest, because she has lived her entire adult life as trans, not someone who came out after being in the industry and signing money deals under another gender. So, the whole "trans," community as it calls itself in the industry is really just an ensemble of closet cases to fame who censor stories of those like Bralalalala who never lied about their identity. The whole subject matter is never addressed in the media where Bralalalala is of course nowhere to be found because she was not a closet case to fame.
As for lesbian films, Thelma and Louise was not exactly elegant or erotic, more political and angry. I would enjoy seeing a femme to femme lesbian romance film. Most known lesbian stars are butch to femme lesbian relationships. That's fine and there may be films out there depicting that well, I don't know. Those aren't the types I am interesting in seeing.

I would enjoy seeing a femme to femme lesbian romance film.

I think it's fair to say there is a shortage of good lesbian movies, but there are more than just a few romance films depicting feminine lesbians. Here are a few:

D.E.B.S. (2004)
But I'm a Cheerleader
Eloïse's Lover
I Can't Think Straight
The World Unseen
Show Me Love (1998)
Water Lilies
Blue is the Warmest Color

I see, I appreciate you response. I do get where you are coming from when you mention a role that is "coincidentally trans", in other words you want to see films where trans characters are not purely defined by being trans, such as storylines revolving around coming out as trans, hormone theft, etc etc. However, I think this is something we don't see much of simply because scripts like that are fairly uncommon. For instance; say you are making a film with the same plot as Romeo and Juliet but set in contemporary times and the Juliet role happens to be a trans person, portions of the audience (trans people and others alike)might react if not a single character in the film makes any mention of said character being trans as a major plotpoint, this might be seen (by some) as a form of muting or silencing of trans visibility, If we are to continue with the Rome & Juliet comparison, if the central conflict was simply that they were from opposing families and the trans aspect was never mentioned, beyond the Juliet character being played by a trans actress, there would probably be people recting to why it isn't mentioned or integrated into the story. Same could be applied to any other storyline or film, like a cop film some would say "why don' we here about how the trans lady has to be accepted by the force and how she struggles, why is she just solving crimes like the other cops?".

I believe depictions of trans people in media is still fresh so to speak and it is going to take a while until there aren't films with trans characters were a large part of ther character arcs are directly tied to their gender identity. I still don't think the rest of the LGBTQ community is their in terms of cinematic depictions, though it is less frequent than for trans characters you will still see stories with gay characters for instance(discussing films about sexual preference now ,not gender identity, don't misunderstand I am well aware of the difference)where storylines aren' centered around their gayness.
I don't think that the work put in by actresses like Laverne Cox is lessened by the storylines they inhabit though, since they are IMHo: Good acting performances and they also depict a part of trans life, the as you call it "being socially accepted" part of it, which, tough it isn't the only part of being trans in life is for many an aspect of it and thanks to the long road ahead it might be what will be available in trans films for quite some time.

The previously mentioned film Tangerine I feel does an excllent job of telling a story about trans people without having them be soley defined by it, in the film bing trans is not a character tait or something that drives the film forward, rather it is just what the characters happened to be, trans women. Sure there are moments when characters make not of them being trans, but they do so in a way that doesn't seem false within the context of the story. I do recommend it, not just as a film feature trans characters and cast but as an overall entertaining well made film.

With regards to the type of content you want to see involving lesbian characters you were giving some examples by another poster that might be suitable, I'll mention Showtime series the L Word, it does feaure lesbians that are not soley in as you say "Butch with femme" relationships. It is both a show about characters that happen to be lesbian (lesbian character take part in storylines that are not linked to their sexual reference)while also feaure parts (early on in the series) about "being lesbian" (coming out as a lesbian, etc) though L word has been criticised for featuring a very specific group of women in a specific part of the world, that too is worth mentioning, still highly recommended (later seasons drop considerably in quality though).

As I am not familiar with the subject of Bralalalala and the Trans nation film festival I will refrain from discussing it but I gather from that secion of your post that you feel a level of resentment towards certain trans individuals in the enteratinment industry, perhaps you can adress that further in a seperate post here you can elaborate on it further.


Peace

I do think natural interactions that may occur in real life for a trans person
should be portrayed. All I am saying is that many of these experiences are the
same for trans as anyone else, and that should be portrayed also.
I heard Tangerine was a transformation story as well. That is not
necessarily a part of the trans experience. That is what some experience.
I don't have resentment for anyone in the trans community but I do
make distinctions and some resent me for that. The reality is that
those who gained careers or otherwise lived as another gender in their
adult life before being socially trans have a different mindset, history
and demeanor than those who have lived naturally trans the entire time.
There is a big difference in demeanor with Jazz Jenings or Bralalalala,
both who have never experienced living as another gender socially
(Of course Jazz isn't even really an adult yet, but in the case of Bralala
never as an adult in society).
I don't think Laverne Cox is the best deal
in the trans world as she is made out to be. This is the same trans
who told E! she struggled accepting herself. I believe she gained
industry relationships before being out. I don't think the role in
Orange is the New Black was one a high quality and never closeted
trans actress would accept. There are many indicators she hasn't lived
socially as trans her entire adult life.
Many trans like Caitlyn Jenner think the past is not to be acknowledged
once someone comes out as trans but, the past adult life was chosen
freely and therefore is part of who that person is. Many things Caitiyn says
are insensitive to trans women and she has been told that. It comes out
by not living socially as trans ones entire adult life, and gaining economic
advantages as another gender . It is a different dynamic. Often physical
movements and demeanor is also much different for those who only recently
became socially trans.

I think you should watch more films about and featuring trans people/characters, you are bound to find something you like. If you are less restrictive in what you want a "trans film" to be you will find more to enjoy too. With regards to your categorizing of trans people my shor answer is: I disagree. Also:. Often physical
movements and demeanor is also much different for those who only recently
became socially trans.


What exactly do you mean? Not all trans people express themslves physically the same way, indiviuduals are different and there isn't a required or set way in which a trans prson should carry themselves in their physicality and demeanor. You seem to have very strict categories for trans people and also preconcieved ideas of how they should act and how they act and why.


Peace

People who have lived as men as adults in society will
not present themselves naturally as women after transition
in the same way trans women who never lived as men socially do. This is
just a common sense fact, not an opinion. It has nothing
to do with suggesting people can't be different, they
are and can. However, I know there
are some out there who will say there is no such thing
as gender and therefore any distinctions are irrelevant,
but this position is unfounded in the functioning of today's
society.