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The Evolutionary Science of Homophobia.


http://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-evolutio nary-science-of-homophobia.html

I'm rare among modern Pro-Gay Christians in also being a Conservative Fundamentalist/Bible Literalistic, and visa-versa. What I find saddest about that though is I've had trouble on Facebook finding fellow Pro-Gay Christians who are also enemies of the Theory of Evolution.

See, the arguments these Republican Party Christians use when their trying to add secular non Biblical reasons for supporting their positions on Homosexuality, all in fact sound very Darwinian and Materialist to me. Insisting that only the sex that can continue the reproduction of the species is valid. To Evolutionists the only reason sex is so pleasurable is to motivate us to engage it and make sure the species continues.

And I have encountered Atheists online who are Homophobic for all these reasons. It's not just radical Christians who propagate modern Homophobia. These encounters were on IMDB a long time ago so I can no longer document them. But these were Atheist individuals who had no problem questioning my masculinity (the usual overlap of Sexism and Homophobia) for not liking Sports, and liking TV shows stereotypically meant for women. And pretty blatantly accusing all Bisexuals of just lying for attention.

It's because I believe in Intelligent Design and Six-Day Young Earth Creationism, and that God gave us a Spirit and a Soul, not just flesh, that I believe sex has a spiritual purpose too, not just biological. And because I don't hand wave away the Song of Solomon and it's details I know that God is okay with sexual expressions that are non reproductive. It is also an expression of Love, the love between a Man and a Woman is the not the only love The Bible considers valid.

To some of the most Anti-Christian people out there right now, it's pretty obvious that Homophobia wouldn't exist at all if it wasn't for The Bible verses that get misused on that subject. The Homophobia of the last, two centuries is a uniquely vile monster unprecedented in earlier eras of Secular or Church history. However the basic fallen human sensibilities that lead to it can be documented to have existed B.C. Just look at how Julius Caesar was degenerated by being called "Every woman's man and every man's woman". The roots of the Church's homophobia seemed to enter the Church very early on, but no earlier then it's Anti-Semitic tendencies which also popped up in the Second Century.

But our modern notions of Sexual Orientation were purely the invention of Victorian scientists and psychologists. And indeed it was not originally conservative Christians who (from the Evolutionists' POV) "Rejected Science", who first sought to proclaim Homosexuality a "Pathology", to label it a mental disorder the same as Pedophilia, or an addiction the same as Alcoholism. And Lesbianism in particular an example of how scarey and threatening untamed female sexuality is, and thus labeled it another symptom of "hysteria". No, it was Scientists who first did this, Scientists who whether professing "Christians" or not, embraced the ideas of Darwin and Galton and their fore-bearers.

Creationists have a long history of pointing out how the Evolutionary theory has contributed to the history of the evils of Racism and Eugenics. Darwin's book was racist in it's very name, and filled with Racists and Sexists comments.

It's now an proven scientific fact that Homosexuality and Bisexuality are perfectly natural and normal variations of human sexuality. And to me that is a problem for the Theory of Evolution, whether Evolutionists want to admit that or not. I know all the usual arguments about how homosexuality can be genetic even when homosexuals don't usually reproduce, but those are rationalizations. If the Evolutionary model were true, any genes that do not further propagate the species should have been gotten rid of by Natural Selection ages ago.

So I think Creationists should embrace LGBT people, as proving what Jesus said about being "Born Eunuchs", and disproving the logic of Darwinian Natural Selection.

"There's no art to this war Spencer"-Alison DiLaurentis

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It's now an proven scientific fact that Homosexuality and Bisexuality are perfectly natural and normal variations of human sexuality

And the Theory of Evolution is scientifically proven. You shouldn't, in my opinion, pick and choose scientific theories you like and disregard others which have the same amount of evidence to support them. And if you do not believe in evolution, you might as well not believe in genetics. Evolution doesn't imply that homosexuality is contained in genes as the idea of the ''gay gene'' is not scientifically proven at all and is controversial. We simply do not know what makes people gay, we just know it is normal.

If the Evolutionary model were true, any genes that do not further propagate the species should have been gotten rid of by Natural Selection ages ago.

If the Biblical model were true, god would not have created homosexuality as his idea is that man goes forth and multiplies. And it would also be pointless to create yet another group that can be oppressed for being different. You see, I can make that argument and it is every bit as valid as yours.

However, I doth my hat to you for at least not being a homophobe unlike most conservative Christians. It is something I have always respected about you.

Formerly KingAngantyr

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I support the theories that are supported by Evidence, and oppose the ones that are not.

I didn't say anything about a "Gay Gene" that is a horribly simplistic way to look at it.

Oppression was Created by Man. God created Human Beings to loving creatures.

Thank you very much.

"There's no art to this war Spencer"-Alison DiLaurentis

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I didn't say anything about a "Gay Gene" that is a horribly simplistic way to look at it.

Never said you did, I am just referencing a minor theory that others have.

On a related note, what has happened to your blog, Mithrandir?

Formerly KingAngantyr

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I changed the name of it.
http://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/

"There's no art to this war Spencer"-Alison DiLaurentis

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And to me that is a problem for the Theory of Evolution, whether Evolutionists want to admit that or not. I know all the usual arguments about how homosexuality can be genetic even when homosexuals don't usually reproduce, but those are rationalizations. If the Evolutionary model were true, any genes that do not further propagate the species should have been gotten rid of by Natural Selection ages ago. There appears to be some confusion about how evolution works.

First, if the line of reasoning claiming that any genes that do not directly further propagation would have been eliminated by natural selection in the distant past is valid, how do you explain hereditary conditions such as, oh, let's see, cystic fibrosis? Or polycystic ovary syndrome? Or porphyria? (I don't mean to imply that same-sex attraction is a disease by suggesting these comparisons. Just raising them for sake of discussion, as they are well-known hereditary conditions that affect reproduction.)

Evolution isn't something that happened once a long time ago. It is an ongoing process. We are evolving even now. It's just that the process is typically so slow that we are unable to perceive it. New mutations occur in the genes all the time. The genetic code isn't locked and sealed.

There is no "ideal" genetic makeup toward which evolution invariably progresses. The outcomes of evolutionary forces will vary with the environments in which the populations that are evolving find themselves. You could take the same baseline genetic frameworks and introduce them into different environments (differing in the kinds and abundance of natural resources available, competing organisms, predators, etc), and the directions evolution would take from those baselines would quite possibly be very different with each scenario -- and that's not even considering the effects of random variation.

Second, with regard to the notion that "the only reason sex is so pleasurable is to motivate us to engage in it and make sure the species continues," this is an interpretation that goes well beyond what we can confidently say from observations of the material world and signs of evolution. Strictly speaking, the more accurate statement is that "because sex is pleasurable, organisms are motivated to engage in it, which allows them to reproduce." Notice the difference? The former gets into reasons why. That approach would make sense for a theist who posits a goal-seeking Preternatural Consciousness, a Divine Creator who intentionally imparts particular characteristics in the organisms it creates in order for them to behave in certain ways to achieve specific goals. But if we have no direct material evidence of such a being, we should not assume that there are purposes behind the acts we observe in Nature, apart from those deliberate acts taken by conscience, goal-seeking creatures (such as humans).
Science can tell us how things in nature happen. Leave the why to the philosophers and theologians.

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Christians tend to dwell on the male and so did you in your post "born eunuchs". Yet lesbians are here too.

In the end, LGBT people do not need a justification from you or anyone else why they exist, because there is nothing wrong with being gay.

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I am being greatly led by the Holy Spirit to share this truth in love. I realized recently that to not share God's truth in a loving way and let people just go on and do their own thing thinking it's okay is being hateful and basically saying to people that you don't care if they're separated from God for eternity. There's a right way and wrong way to go about things. It's wrong to hold up signs that God hates gays or to completely disown a family member. God loves us all but He hates sin and we also are to hate sin. We share the truth in a loving way and pray for the people to come to Jesus. We don't support or celebrate sin but pray for the people to come to Jesus. This horrible law by SCOTUS this past June is an attack by Satan on God's plan. Romans 1 in addition to other places in God's Word shares that God has given people over to their sins. We have turned our backs on Him as a nation and world and He has given people over to their sin. It's all in God's Word, The Holy Bible. Satan put lesbianism in my mind for over a year but when I gave my life to Jesus, I was freed from Satan's bondage.

I am praying for everyone. Our living God, our living Lord and Savior, Jesus is holy and He does NOT make anyone gay or lesbian or transgender or bi. When you read all of God's Word, The Holy Bible and are filled with The Holy Spirit, God makes it very clear that He doesn't make anyone that way. Satan is the true enemy of our souls and doesn't want us to be with Jesus and he knows only Jesus saves and he lies and deceives and puts confusion and perversions in people's minds. I was included but Jesus freed me from Satan's bondage. Satan put in my mind to be with another woman but The Lord freed me and showed me the truth. If I were to be in unrepentant sexual immorality which includes homosexuality, then I would not spend eternity with Jesus because our bodies are supposed to be temples for The Holy Spirit. Light and dark cannot live in us at the same time. A person cannot be LGBT and a true follower of Jesus at the same time. Don't be deceived by Satan (who also makes people believe in evolution to keep people away from God) which is what the devil wants. Please watch this video from this woman who was a gay activist:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uQGA-n4JyOY

I belong to Jesus: my Lord, Savior, my eternity, my everything. I love you, Jesus!

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