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Any relatively obscure composers in your personal Top-10?


If not, which one would come closest to being considered obscure? (Probably self-explanatory, but:) For instance, if I only liked Beethoven and Prokofiev, Prokofiev would by default be the more obscure. Most people who don't know classical music know at least of Beethoven, while not necessarily of Prokofiev. - I suppose the point of this thread is to talk about composers that don't often receive a lot of attention, and - selfishly - for me to perhaps make a new discovery.

I was going to wait to share mine until after reading the replies, but considering this may not garner any replies (one never knows) I will name mine now:

George Enescu (aka Georges Enesco) - and he is way up there for me, probably in my top-5.

Enescu was a virtuoso violinist. This, not unlike Liszt's early reputation as pianist, probably hindered him as a composer. For one thing, he was known as a performing violinist and as the teacher of Yehudi Menuhin. Also to make ends meet Enescu had to constantly tour as a performer, taking away valuable time away from composition. Still, he published 33 Opus's (opii?) and left several dozen works either unpublished or works without opus number.

Another thing that may have effected his popularity was that his one "hit" wasn't an accurate representation of the bulk of his better works. I'm speaking of his First Romanian Rhapsody, Op. 11 No. 1 - This was certainly the case for me. I knew this piece of music in my young-teens as it was included on a cd with a Brahm's symphony. The Rhapsody is an impressive showpiece with several different motifs throughout it's 12 minutes. It fascinated me then, but I never sought out the rest of his work until several years later.

Now I feel an incredible affinity for his music, especially his later works. Some of his compositions are so unique and esoteric that they almost feels like they were written just for me: I feel an odd personal attachment to them. I don't think I can say that about any other composers' works.

Recommended works (just to name a few):
*Opus 26, No. 2: Cello Sonata No. 2 in C major (1935)
*Opus 25: Violin Sonata No. 3 in A minor dans le caractère populaire roumain (1926)
*Opus 27: Orchestral Suite No. 3 in D major Suite villageoise (1937–1938)
*Opus 22, No. 2: String Quartet No. 2 in G major (1950–52)
*Opus 6: Violin Sonata No. 2 in F minor (1899)
*Opus 29: Piano Quintet in A minor (1940)
*Opus 22, No. 1: String Quartet No. 1 in E♭ major (1916–20)

A few more notes:

Enescu visited with Ravi Shankar before it was "cool" - he's the earliest musician to have met with Shankar from the Western world that I'm aware of, though there may have been several earlier for all I know.

I have some of his early non-Opus-numbered works, and he did start very early indeed. His first composition was, I believe, when he was five years old, or earlier. His first Opus was published when he was 16.

He published one Opera, Opus 23: Œdipe, tragédie lyrique in four acts, libretto by Edmond Fleg (1910–31), a remarkable three hour long Opera whose dramatic force has been compared to Berg's Wozzeck.

Being born practically right on the line that divided the West from the Eastern world, and the fact that he studied Eastern music extensively (as well as traditional & gypsy music to an extent that may have challenged even Bartók), an Eastern influence can be heard in some of his works, notable the Violin Sonata No. 3 in A minor dans le caractère populaire roumain, Op. 25.

Any fans of George Enescu? - Who is your favorite relatively-obscure composer?
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Writing this has made me think of a couple of other thread ideas which could be discussed here as well. Namely, "Virtuosity negatively effecting one's repute as a composer" & "Great composers largely known for one work?" - Taking the latter idea, in Enescu's case it would be the 1st Romanian Rhapsody. Not entirely related, but this reminds me of Rachmaninoff, and how when he was young people always wanted to hear him play his Prelude in C sharp minor. I forget his quote about it, but because he considered it an inferior piece, he had some disdain for it.

Will Hays is my shepherd, I shall not want. Will's prod and Will's gaff, they confound me.

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I wouldn't necessarily put Enescu in the Top 10 - or even Top 50 - but I certainly think he is a very great composer and could easily make it in my Top 100.

Including Enescu, these are twelve of the more worthy neglected composers:

Charles-Valentin Alkan (virtuoso French piano composer of the 19th century)

Sir Arnold Bax (Britain's Bax wrote brilliantly orchestrated tone poems, symphonies, and chamber music)

Carl Phillip Emmanuel Bach (while Bach's most famous son isn't exactly obscure he isn't widely known to the general public, either)

Franz Berwald (19th century Swedish composer mostly known for his 4 symphonies and tone poems)

Heinrich Biber (Bohemian Baroque composer known for his Rosary Sonatas and La Battalia)

Ferruccio Busoni (known for his opera Doktor Faust and a mammoth Piano Concerto)

George Enescu (brilliant 20th century Romanian composer who composed in every genre)

Marin Marais (French Baroque composer known for his viola da gamba music)

Bohuslav Martinu (Czech giant known mostly for his six brilliant symphonies)

Albert Roussel (20th French master known for his four symphonies and ballets)

Franz Schmidt (early 20th century Austrian composer known for his four symphonies and opera "Notre Dame")

Josef Suk (late 19th century Czech composer known for his "Asrael" Symphony and the Serenade for Strings)

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I wouldn't necessarily put Enescu in the Top 10Naturally, most wouldn't. Just saying he's in my top-10. But I know what you mean.

I only know a few names from your list. Thanks for sharing. I'll look into these names. I vaguely know Suk, Roussel, Martinu, Busoni, CPE, Alkan and of course Enescu. Alkan's virtuosity is impressive but his compositions have failed to move me or stir my emotions in any way. But the writing is technically very interesting, especially the Hands Reunited piece.

Good list, thanks again.

Will Hays is my shepherd, I shall not want. Wills prod and Will's gaff, they confound me.

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I forgot to ask you, christo, regardless of of whether or not any of those composers would crack your personal top-10, which composer from your list would be your favorite?

Will Hays is my shepherd, I shall not want. Wills prod and Will's gaff, they confound me.

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Hmm, relatively obscure. I agree with you on Enescu and would also second Martinu - his Fantasie for Theramin, Oboe, String Quartet and Piano was brave, to say the least. Not sure about Top-10 but these composers are on my play list:

Sofia Gubaidulina - her Music for Flute, Strings and Percussion was a real find. Also In Tempus Praesens which I believe she wrote for Anne-Sophie Mutter. Not easy listening but it does something for me.

Zoltan Kodaly - I discovered him through Bartok who was a great friend of his; an ethnomusicologist who encouraged Bartok in his studies of folk music.

Karol Szymanowski who wrote some good symphonies and two good violin concertos. His Nocturne and Tarantella for violin and piano, Op. 28 is quite good.







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I like Kodaly quite a bit. Discovered him on one of my Enescu LP's.

A couple more that occurred to me:

Heitor Villa-Lobos would probably qualify. I'm not sure how obscure Jacques Ibert is, I found him from his film scores. Particularly his score for Pabst's Don Quixote (1933), which led me to his other, non-film compositions. Speaking of film composers, I'm not sure how popular Miklós Rózsa is outside of the film world, where he is beloved.

Thanks jgcole. Glad you also enjoy Enescu.

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Closest for me would be Fauré - maybe not personal "top 10" but not out of the question - definitely not ABSOLUTELY obscure - everybody knows the requiem and the pavane - but a lot of people who know those don't know his songs at all - which probably still don't count as obscure - but maybe we can call them a "niche interest."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvR3q1VG1jE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGf0w0zghFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0my1mPiwV68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSLi_YfT6Uw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k61QZZzgVc0


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Fauré is among my most recent discoveries and I've barely dipped into his oeuvre. I know the two compositions you mention, plus his Sicilienne, for cello & piano, Op. 78, and I have a wonderful recording of Rubinstein playing Fauré's Nocturne in A flat major, Op. 33 no. 3, and maybe a few odds n' ends from compilations. I don't know his songs in the least so I thank you for pointing them out. I've recently been listening to the songs of Charles Ives, who, while maybe not obscure, certainly isn't a household name.

Thanks for the links (I'll listen) and for the contribution. I'm curious to know, fontinau, your opinion of Geroge Enescu?

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I might add César Franck, though he's not near my top.


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I may never have previously heard anything by Enescu other than the inevitable rhapsody. Since you asked, I've been listening to parts of some of the pieces you recommend - orchestra suite 3, string quartet 2, violin sonata 3 - and also the chamber concerto, because that came up when I Googled "Enescu" + "masterpiece." I like them all well enough, but at the moment I don't think I have stronger reaction than that. If you'd be willing to go into more detail on what you find "unique and esoteric" in his music, I'd be very interested and grateful.

I love Ives' songs! I should listen to more of them.


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