FACT: Anti-Zionism is a form of antisemitism. - Politics Discussion

[–] Keelai (34853) 8 days ago

Your source isn't objective. Just propaganda.

Recently, I heard Zionism described as Israeli Nationalism. That sounded like a fair definition.

Judaism is a religion and is different from Zionism. Most Jews were anti-Zionism in the early 20th century including Einstein who said that Israel was a bad idea.

Israel is committing war crimes, human rights violations, ethnic-cleansing and genocide. History will not look favorably on Israel or its enablers.

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[–] SemiAnimus (2353) 8 days ago

Israeli Nationalism doesn't quite encapsulate the syncretic relationship between secular ethnicity and religion in Jewish identity but it's getting warm.

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[–] itsbananas2024 (1733) 7 days ago

"Einstein who said that Israel was a bad idea"

OMG it was a whole differnt world then.

Einstein believed that a Jewish state with borders and an army went against the "essential nature of Judaism" - well in 2024 borders are necessary. He was wrong about that.

In 1946, Einstein said that a Jewish state was "connected with narrow-minded and economic obstacles - again whole different world in 1946.

Einstein called the Zionist leader Menachim Begin a fascist. - well hes been dead a very long time.

Dont try to use Einstein's genius to advocate for your warped view of the world.

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[–] Keelai (34853) 7 days ago

Nope! You're not smarter than Einstein.

Einstein was right again, and you're wrong. Israel committing same war crimes and atrocities like Einstein described.

Einstein criticized Israel, their political ideology which he compared to Fascism and Naziism as well as the slaughter of the Palestinians by Israel's military to whom he referred as terrorists. Nothing changed except the U.S. joined in the slaughter.

"Dear Sir,

When a real and final catastrophe should befall us in Palestine the first responsible for it would be the British and the second responsible for it the Terrorist organizations build [sic] up from our own ranks. I am not willing to see anybody associated with those misled and criminal people.

Sincerely yours,

Albert Einstein."

Everything he said about Israel and its dystopian present and future was true.
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

https://paw.princeton.edu/inbox/why-did-einstein-refuse-presidency-israel

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[–] FootOfDavros (8138) 8 days ago

Israel is a rogue terrorist state.

If someone in the 70s / 80s said they hated the IRA and you tried to argue with them that meant the same thing as hating all catholics, you'd be laughed out of town and called a nutcase.

But nowadays, you could be described as rational (by those who seek to solidify the conflation) if you said anyone hating Israel hated all Jewish people.

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[–] [deleted] 8 days ago

Under a normal context, i'd agree with you. the problem is though, theres plenty of horrible shlt happening around the world, every week school girls are being kidnapped and raped by islamists in nigeria, china seems to be engaging in reducation camps for some citizens, somalia... i could go on and on and on...

wheres the outrage? where are the daily protests? theres only silence. why? what are we saying? why the selective outrage? well i can guess why and deep down so can you.

another important thing is how people who are utterly clueless about the subject are some of the most angry. we've all seen the video of the sistah tearing down the GREEK flags at a restaurant while chanting "free palestine" hahahaahahah!!

we've all seen the videos of pro-palestine people being asked which river and sea which is being refered to in that chant, just for them to not have a clue..

so what does that tell us, why are people so angry about a subject they clearly know nothing about???!?? well because it's not about a piece of a land, it's about hatred for the jews. and it's blind rage and hatred.

you'll deny it, but its true.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8138) 8 days ago

Under a normal context, i'd agree with you...

It's okay, you still can!

Because nothing you said way, in any way, related to what I was saying!

You were just saying other stuff. Which is fine.

But that'd be like if I took my IRA hating friend in the 80s and just said - Sure, they're bad but I don't see you talking about the IDF being behind the massacres happening in Beirut as well do I? But you don't really care about that do you? Why the selective outrage? It's just because of your hatred for the catholics. Blind rage and hatred...

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[–] [deleted] 8 days ago

ask yourself why nobody cares about the other horrible shlt in the world, but theres a pro-palestine thing everyday...

ask yourself why even the most passionate palestinian supporters can't find gaza or israel on a map and tear down greek flags...

ask yourself why the discourse usually ends in anti jewish stuff and never anti israeli government stuff.

it's obvious. your comparision doesnt make sense. zionism is about a jewish state, there was never a movement like that in ireland.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8138) 8 days ago

Did you just completely ignore the content of my last post?

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[–] [deleted] 8 days ago

you're doing this thing which has been popular over the last 10 years, where you blindly and ignorant equate something with someone else. hoping it makes sense, but it really doesn't. hoping that someone else will understand it,

i read exactly what you've posted, and i know you really believe it's amazing and makes sense..

but it doesn't. you're comparing the IRA with israel. it doesnt make sense.

i repeat you're like that sistah outside a greek restaurant, pulling down the GREEK flag and screaming "free palestine" while all the time thinking she was a f'king genius...

you're comparing things that don't make sense, based on not really understand the situation. the fact you post anti jewish stuff here daily, which you, tells me you have more hatred for the jews, than the injustices in the world.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8138) 8 days ago

...the fact you post anti jewish stuff here daily...

I see. So you're a bad faith liar than. I have never posted ONE anti Jewish comment on here and now it's clear you were absolutely lying when you said:-
"Under a normal context, i'd agree with you"

I pointed out to you that you'd be perfectly able to agree with me anyway because all you were talking about was OTHER STUFF.

But rather than go "You know what? You're right - I was just talking about OTHER STUFF" you've simply kept going on about OTHER STUFF!! 😂

Like, do you really think I give a flying f-ck about moronic pro-Palastian supporters ripping down Greek flags?! 😂 I'd love to know how, in your tiny mind, that qualifies as some kind of "win"...

And it's also hilarious you seem to have no knowledge of how religion was tied into the IRA's cause. Great stuff, once again...

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[–] [deleted] 8 days ago

did i say it was a win?

the fact you put little emojis like a 12 year old isn't a win either, it's a loss for society when adults can't express themselves like adults anymore.

when i mentioned the woman tearing down greek flags, thinking they were israeli flags i was comparing that to your ignorance, how you like most people here in the west get all passionate about something, all heated but when you scratch a little on the surface you see the ignorance and the complete lack of knowledge.

if you're really all for justice around the world, calling out boko haram for raping little girls, and the rest of it, i might take you seriously..

but when you go on and on and on and on about israel day after day, all i see is someone who is brainwashed and angry about one issue, an issue they don't understand.

i'd agree with you if you were actually comparing apples with apples, instead you're comparing apples with a pint of milk and thinking you're a genius.

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[–] FootOfDavros (8138) 8 days ago

the fact you put little emojis like a 12 year old isn't a win either, it's a loss for society when adults can't express themselves like adults anymore.

Oh, I do that quite deliberately. In exactly the same way I use "literally" quite literally out of context.

But all the same, thanks for the appreciation 👍.

And just as your little brain might be struggling to understand this, as much as it seemingly does the religious aspect of The Troubles in Ireland, I very much have an opinion on why your hot take on OTHER STUFF is garbage, I'm just not going to validate you raising it here by answering, as like I said from the very off, it is not "any way, related to what I was saying"!

Cheers buddy 😘

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[–] [deleted] 8 days ago

"hot take"

hahahahahaha

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[–] Keelai (34853) 7 days ago

None of your arguments are rational or logical.

No government is supporting kidnappings in Nigeria, nor Somalia's civil war, nor China's religious persecution.

But the U.S. and other Western governments ARE SUPPORTING the genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and other international crimes historically and presently committed by Israel by providing weapons used against mainly unarmed civilians.

Furthermore, many Arab nations are threatened to remain silent or face financial sanctions and other repercussions.

Zionism is a political extremist ideology. Einstein described it akin to Fascism and Naziism. Don't confuse it with Judaism, a religion, nor the Jewish people.

Israel is a European settler colonialist project several centuries pass its era. People all over the world recognize this. It's only a matter of time that our sociopath leaders do also.

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[–] [deleted] 7 days ago

jews have always lived there, then along came islam a terrorist ideology and said it was theirs.

by your logic, spain is islamic too right?

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[–] Keelai (34853) 7 days ago

You don't know history. Jews lived mainly in a small area of Palestine millennia ago. Extremist Zionists want to claim the entire Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and part of Egypt as Israel.

By your logic, ISIL should claim Spain and most of Europe since Muslims lived in Spain millennia ago.

BTW, most Jews in Palestine converted to Christianity and then Islam.

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[–] Keelai (34853) 7 days ago

RustyShacklefurd, is that you, again?

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[–] FootOfDavros (8138) 7 days ago

LOL 😂.

I don't think he is Rusty though because Rusty's favourite deflection tactics were:-

1. The allies killed innocent people in WW2, so you're just against Israel killing innocent people because you're an anti-semite.

2. How come all these people aren't out protesting about Russia invading Ukraine? It's hypocrisy! It's just because they ALL hate Jews!

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[–] SemiAnimus (2353) 5 days ago

Is that fucking guy still around?

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[–] Keelai (34853) 5 days ago

I think so. Or he has an annoying twin.

This is the second time his account was immediately deleted when I asked if it was him. The last time he cursed up a storm before his account's demise so I assumed I was right.

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[–] SemiAnimus (2353) 5 days ago

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. That guy's apologetics for anything Israel related was unreal, especially since it was clear that he was sincere.

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[–] parkerbot (8993) 8 days ago

What is it called when you're against children getting killed?

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[–] FootOfDavros (8138) 8 days ago

"That's called anti-semitism mate, pure anti-semitism.

You should want all of those filthy little arab kids to be killed as they're all terrorists anyway aren't they and they'll only grow up to want to kill Jews. Not Israelis mind you - in case you get mixed up, what with the Israelis being behind 90% of their families being murdered - but it will be the Jews plain and simple they want to kill!

So if you don't want to see these children murdered in their sleep before they can even talk, then you're anti-semitic, plain and simple!!!"

... Actually, joking aside, sadly that is actually the real mindset of these zionist apologists who are still backing Israel's outrageous behaviour ("Don't forget the October attacks eh!").

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[–] almonigal (1283) 7 days ago

Anti-ziomism is anti-semitism. Deal with it, goyim

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[–] Keelai (34853) 5 days ago

That's like saying anti-Naziism is anti-German.

What's your opinion about Einstein comparing Zionism to Fascism and Naziism?

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[–] almonigal (1283) 5 days ago

Einstein was a conspiracy theorist and a nutcase.
He couldnt even understand light or gravity

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[–] TheHardSell (1709) 5 days ago

Fuck Israel

https://x.com/Bernadotte22/status/1858546709200343327

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