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JD Vance: How I Joined The Resistance April 2020


You can read the whole thing here

https://thelampmagazine.com/blog/how-i-joined-the-resistance

What is NOT here is J.D.'s experience attending his father's Pentecostal Church (one line: "My first real exposure to an institutional church would come later, through my father’s large pentecostal congregation in southwestern Ohio.")

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/258347/13-things-to-know-about-jd-vance-s-catholic-journey

His father had given up drinking and became a serious Pentecostal, and he would take Vance to a large Pentecostal church in southeastern Ohio with his new wife and their children.

Vance drank it in. Among other things, he rejected evolution and embraced millennialism, including a belief that the world would end in 2007.

“I’m not sure if I liked the structure or if I just wanted to share in something that was important to him — both, I suppose — but I became a devoted convert,” Vance writes in his memoir.

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So his father seems like a decent man. Are Pentecostal Christians considered some sort of "fringe" Christians by other Reform Christians?

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Vance's grandmother also seems to have had a good head on her shoulders...

I often wonder what my grandmother—Mamaw, as I called her—would have thought about her grandson becoming Catholic. We used to argue about religion constantly. She was a woman of deep, but completely de-institutionalized, faith. She loved Billy Graham and Donald Ison, a preacher from her home in southeastern Kentucky. But she loathed “organized religion.” She often wondered aloud how the simple message of sin, redemption, and grace had given way to the televangelists on our early 1990s Ohio TV screen. “These people are all crooks and perverts,” she told me. “All they want is money.” But she watched them anyway, and they were the closest she usually came to regular church service, at least in Ohio. Unless she was back home in Kentucky, she rarely attended church. And if she did, it was usually to satisfy my early adolescent quest for some attachment to Christianity besides the 700 Club.

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Seek and ye shall find...

"the religious leaders I turned to tended to argue that if you prayed hard enough and believed hard enough, God would reward your faith with earthly riches."

Is that what y'alls Preachers say on Sunday?

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oh boy...

The sexual abuse crisis made me wonder whether joining the [Catholic] Church meant subjecting my child to an institution that cared more for its own reputation than the protection of its members. Working through these feelings delayed my conversion for at least a few months.

Vance converted to Catholicism in 2019.

"Spotlight" was released in 2015 and won Best Picture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_in_the_United_States

The issue of child sexual abuse by Roman Catholic priests was first publicized in 1985 when a Louisiana priest pleaded guilty to 11 counts of molestation of boys.[1] It was again brought to national attention in 2002 following a series of publications by The Boston Globe.

Over many decades, priests and lay members of religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church had sexually abused children, principally boys, on such a large scale, that the accusations reached into the thousands.

A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth.

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Here's a really meticulous timeline of the sex scandal going back to 1885:

https://www.bishop-accountability.org/timeline-of-the-crisis/

Marjorie Taylor Greene pulled this stunt when she LEFT the Catholic Church but she at least feigned ignorance...

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-catholic-church-monsters-b2067746.html

"[Mr. Donohue] doesn't know this, but I am a cradle Catholic. I was born into the church, raised in it and I was married in the Church," she wrote.

She continues, recounting why she ultimately left the church.

"With great sorrow, and unwavering faith in Jesus Christ, I stopped attending Catholic Mass when I became a mother, because I realised that I could not trust the Church leadership to protect my children from pedophiles.

I wonder if MTG spent "at least a few months" before she reached her decision...

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But WAIT! There's MORE!

"Vance, an adult convert to Catholicism and married to a Hindu woman, has a complicated relationship with religion and, after his recent support for keeping mifepristone, an abortion pill, legal, with the GOP’s religious base."

https://www.christiancentury.org/news/five-faith-facts-about-trump-s-vp-pick-jd-vance

"Vance told [American writer Rod] Dreher that he’d converted because he “became persuaded over time that Catholicism was true” and had observed that the people who meant the most to him were Catholic."

People that mean the most to me... lemmee think about that...

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I would say that the people that mean the most to me are

mailman
handyman
mechanic
wife
dogcatcher
butcher
baker

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FFS! It's his friggin' wife! His WIFE is not Catholic! "the people who meant the most to him were Catholic."

If he doesn't want her, I'll take her. And not only will I have her believing in the Second Coming, I'll have her believing the Third, Fourth, and Fifth!

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"My growing view is that too many American Catholics have failed to show proper deference to the papacy, treating the pope as a political figure to be criticized or praised according to their whims."

Has Vance called out Pope Francis for calling Trump (and Kamala) "evil?"

Have Vance called out Francis for excommunicating Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c84j07d0j92o

In 2018 he [Vigano] went into hiding after alleging that the Pope had known about sexual abuse by an American cardinal and failed to act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Maria_Vigan%C3%B2

On 25 August 2018, Viganò published an 11-page letter accusing Pope Francis and numerous other senior church leaders of concealing allegations of sexual misconduct


August 25, 2018...

Vance was baptized August 2019...

"The sexual abuse crisis made me wonder whether joining the Church meant subjecting my child to an institution that cared more for its own reputation than the protection of its members. Working through these feelings delayed my conversion for at least a few months."







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I have no idea what this is about...

to quote Samuel L. Jackson from Pulp Fiction: “You’re judging this shit the wrong way. I mean, it could be that God stopped the bullets, or He changed Coke to Pepsi, He found my f—g car keys. You don’t judge shit like this based on merit. Now, whether or not what we experienced was an ‘according to Hoyle’ miracle is insignificant. What is significant is that I felt the touch of God.”

"So yes, during little moments over the last few years, I’ve felt the touch of God."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ-y3kDkF6w

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