Most Palestinian leadership is corrupt, stupid or Israeli/US puppets except for Hamas and similar armed resistance groups.
The U.S. and Israel can't say it wants free and fair elections among Palestinians, then attempt to assassinate the Palestinian choice. After Hamas won, it was the U.S. and Israel who punished the Gazans for not voting for a puppet by defunding Gaza and paying the Fatah to kill Hamas leaders. It didn't work. Instead, Hamas killed Fatah members and their collaborators were driven out of Gaza.
U.S. has a long history of assassinating democratically-elected leaders like Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz, and Chilean president Salvador Allende to name a few.
Almost every historically successful way to end oppression has been upended by Israel. Mass peaceful Palestinian marches are illegal and impossible because of the isolation created open-air prisons, walls, checkpoints. Marchers are also killed by IDF snipers, leaders neighborhoods blown-up, and fired from jobs, etc..
BDS has been made illegal worldwide including in the U.S. because of Israeli lobbying.
The Hamas attack has successfully ended Saudi-Israeli agreement for now, revitalized the social movement for liberation, more countries recognize Palestine, more states have stopped diplomatic relations or military aide to Israel, Israel's economy is in ruins, Tens of thousands of Israelis have left the country, Israel has pariah status, Israel army depleted and Hasidic are refusing to show up to fight, U.S. supporters being heavily criticized, etc..
Apartheid Israel will end without U.S. support. The key is growing American Jewish distaste for the Fascism and extremism that iIsrael has become. A growing counter narrative against AIPAC exists.
Israel is not a democracy. There is no freedom like freedom of the press or religion. State-sponsored racism and discrimination are at the core in their Basic Laws (like Constitution).
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Rorikon (17855)
a month ago
I'm guessing you're referring to the one in the West Bank which Israel wants to take over Gaza.
https://youtu.be/WLTLuiqNsWI?t=1643
A good listen. From Fatah to PLO to Fatah again then Hamas. You can see they didn't want the 1948 UN map so they fought. When PLO wanted to finally make peace with Israel, Hamas came to be. You can see they DON'T want peace or a two-state solution, the resistance exists because they still have that mindset of Israel as occupiers, so they want to drive/wipe them out. Are you now understanding the mindset of these people now? You can't make peace to people wanting to wipe you out so I understand the mindset Israel has come to conclude onto the Palestinians, better to wipe them out before they wipe us out. I also get the plight of the Palestinians as well since they're now in the very same shoes as the Israeli's when they were driven out of everywhere with no real place to call home. Sadly, after they were given Gaza, they didn't bother making friends with neighbors and instead used the money to build weapons of war and tunnels.
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Keelai (34853)
a month ago
No, I was talking about the British Mandate period before Israel existed and the Palestinian leaders like mayors, the rich, company owners, etc..
"From Fatah to PLO to Fatah again then Hamas"
I disagree with this because each group has nothing to do with the other. PLO under Arafat screwed up by negotiating the Oslo agreement which made things worse for Palestinians, but allowed him and others to return to the West Bank. Those worsened conditions lead to the Intifada which surprised the PLO. Hamas saw a chance to gain support by supporting the grassroots Intifada.
"When PLO wanted to finally make peace with Israel,..."
Irrelevant. Israel doesn't want peace. They want all Palestinian land without any Palestinians.
"You can't make peace to people wanting to wipe you"
Actions speak louder than words. The Israelis are the ones who have systematically wiped out Palestinians: 750,000 ethnic-cleansed 1947-48; 700,000 in illegal Israeli settlements; ongoing ethnic-cleansing and occupation in East Jerusalem, Bethlehem, genocide in Gaza, etc.. A number of Israelis said a few years ago that every building should be destroyed in Gaza in order to drive Gazans out to neighboring countries. No coincidence that's happening now, except other countries refused to help Israel steal more land.
"after they were given Gaza"
Gaza existed for centuries before Israel. If you mean when occupation ended, that never happened. Only IDF left because its dense populated area made it too unsafe and costly for Israel to keep them there. Israel controls and frequently bombed open-air prison Gaza.
"making friends with neighbors "
I don't know what this means.
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Keelai (34853)
a month ago
My corrections:
According to "Palestine Inside Out: An Everyday Occupation" by Saree Makdisi - 2008, which I read today:
Gaza is 5,000 years old established by the Canaanites.
Israel controls Gazas borders, airspace, imports/exports, fishing, agriculture, fuel, electricity, medicine, access to hospitals, study abroad, etc.
Gazans have died at the Egyptian/Gaza border from exposure and starvation as Israelis purposely delay entry by days or weeks and Gazans runout of money. Subject to strip searches.
Over 50% Gazans have 1 meal a day.
50% unemployment
85% poverty
Israel stopped Gazan businesses from getting raw materials and exporting their products so most closed creating 85% private sector unemployment.
Israel regularly collective punishes Gazans by preventing food, medicine, etc from coming in. They do things like fly jets low to create sonic booms over Gazan homes in the middle of night creating psychological problems especially among children and/or drop bombs.
I'm reminded by this book that to be prison, one must have a trial, conviction and sentence. Gaza and West Bank are actually Concentration Camps.
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