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I think there should be no minimum wage


It’s not the government’s business what money businesses pay their employees.

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Are you a business owner or worker?

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Retired Army. I also had a lot of school after the army and I hope to supplement my income being a writer/artist. Also, women tell me I am a good dancer and I play chess.

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Then worker. Why would you want fellow workers to not be paid enough money to live on? Business owners have a very long history of exploitation, paying low wages, long hours, unsafe working conditions and child labor which workers fought to change sometimes with their lives.

"Minimum wage legislation emerged at the end of the nineteenth century from the desire to end sweatshops which had developed in the wake of industrialization. Sweatshops employed large numbers of women and young workers, paying them what were considered nonliving wages that did not allow workers to afford the necessaries of life. Besides substandard wages, sweating was also associated with long work hours and unsanitary and unsafe work conditions. From the 1890s to the 1920s, during the Progressive Era, a time of social activists and political reform across the United States, progressive reformers, women's organizations, religious figures, academics, and politicians all played an important role in getting state minimum wage laws passed throughout the United States."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States#History

You have taken gains that workers have won for granted. Without them, we wouldn't even have a weekend. They fought to have two days off from work.

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Which are you?

Minimum wage never helps those it's intended to. In fact it usually hurts them but it makes retards like you feel better about your miserable selves.

Minimum wage jobs are not exploitation. We live in a free market economy. The market does just fine at managing wages.

Minimum wage is not supposed to be enough to live on. That's the fucking point.

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" the market does just fine at managing wages"

If there ever was an example of that being wrong, the u.s is certainly it.
Because of very little unionization and a very low minimum wage, getting away with paying people so little that they have rely on a second job/food stamps is something you almost only see in the u.s out of western first world nations.

That is because the market is almost untouched by western standards.

Plumbers are buying their first home in their 20s in some countries. In the U.S a small minority of them are selling ass to avoid hunger, and a bigger part of them are having two jobs to avoid hunger.

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Oh please, utter bullshit. Unions were a great idea 100yrs ago but now only exist to perpetuate themselves.

Teachers are unionized, how is that helping them?

The market seems to do just fine with every single fucking person that is over minimum wage.

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My grandmother smoked everyday of her life and died 103 years old, so how can smoking be bad?

Seriously Man: Why do you think that most Americans are doing so poorly in the marked that is regulated so little?
Most Americans that work full time can not even produce 3K for an emergency if there is one.

Only in the U.S is being payed enough to survive in one full time job a left wing idea. And as well something that can be justified without any explanation than "marked".

You have to of course find a balance. The U.S is a cautionary tale of what can happen when you regulated the marked to little. But you can not regulate it too much either.

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Regulated too little? If you really think the government knows better how to run a business than a business owner, you're too retarded to argue with.

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Minimum wage is $14 an hour in my state of Illinois and things still cost a lot, rent at apartments has increased, and that $14 an hour minimum wage made me go from making $5 above minimum wage to making $4 above it. And you think that's a good thing.

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No I do not think that is a good, and as long as a country is heavily unionized, A minimum wage is not even needed.
but In either case there it will be worse for SOME people of course.

Some of the highest paid McDonald's workers in this world are in countries without a minimum wage, but the market is still heavily regulated by unions for that to be possible. That is not the case in the u.s.


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My union through Kroger has failed people by allowing the company to restrict medical benefits only to those like me that get 40 hours a week (used to be 32 hours a week for full medical benefits). You can't get a substantial raise unless you get 40 hours a week.

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Unions only exist to perpetuate themselves. All they do is fuck things up, same as the government.

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The cashiers from heavily unionized western countries that go to the U.S for holidays disagree.
Without the unions a large part of certain societies would be paycheck to paycheck just like in the u.s

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This ain't Europe, dipshit. I thought we told y'all to fuck off 250yrs ago?

Unions are cancer.

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I disagree. I think we should have a living wage. If your economic system can't provide that then it is a failed system.

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100% agreed. the minimum wage is one of the dumbest laws we impose. i can't think of a law that does more to hurt the worst off, the least educated, the people with the least social capital.

many of the supporters of the first minimum wage laws federally enacted in the us in the 30s wanted them to prevent poor non-union black workers from competing with white workers.

why would anyone believe that minimum wage laws would do anything different now? they deprive poor, uneducated people of the one thing they can do to get a job - underbid their better-educated, better connected competition. of all the counterproductive, harmful things governments do, this is the most transparently destructive.

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I think we should have no immigration and then there would be no need for a minimum wage.

Wages were actually going up at the end of Trumps term. Now they crashed again, I'm sure Biden dumping 20 million or more illegals into the country is part to blame.

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Mass unemployment and business failures at the end of Trump's term.

Wages went up with Biden because so many people had retired during covid and immigration had dropped. Fewer workers meant higher wages to attract them. The government actually wants lower wages and higher unemployment because a slow economy creates lower inflation. Business owners want higher unemployment with a surplus of worker because they can pay lower wages and fewer benefits. Capitalism doesn't benefit workers. It benefits wealthy business owners.

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Every single problem you assholes level at Trump are because of COVID. It's almost as if it was done intentionally to derail his administration. Hmmmm.....

Trump's only mistake was listening to establishment pieces of shit like Fauci and the CDC. The economy was in the tank because YOUR elected officials (and unelected swamp critters) thought it was a good idea to lock everything down.

Peddle your lies elsewhere and stop pretending to know the first fucking thing about economics, you Marxist liar.

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I second this motion.
We need to fix immigration by sealing up the border and do mass deportations. With less immigrants wages would go up, housing prices would go down, and we would have a much more coherent and cohesive culture.

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Yep, and with better wages and less taxes and homes to buy the native population would have more kids. They wonder why educated people have less kids, it's because they get out of college with a mountain of debt, join the workforce and have to pay for all the freeloaders, they dont make shit and the houses aren't affordable until they've saved a ton of money and are old. Meanwhile all the losers on government assistance have 5-7 kids and live a lifestyle that sends them right into the health system in their 20s.

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> why educated people have less kids, it's because they get out of college with a mountain of debt, join the workforce and have to pay for all the freeloaders

You plan on taking that comedy routing on the road?

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They want those taxes.

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Yes, it actually is the government's business. It's also the citizen's business to know what the government's business is ... or that citizens has no business speaking or voting.

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You think poorly. Maybe look into the concept of a minimum wage, its role in social stabilization, before spouting off like a stupid ignoramus, guy living off a gummint pension....

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There should be a maximum wage. And maximum wealth. The highest paid employee’s income should be limited to a maximum of 100x the lowest income.

This way profits go back into the business, the employees who make the business possible, and the customers who make the business possible.

There should be no income tax. The government should have no money to work with at all. They have proven that they cannot handle the responsibly or power that comes with a tax system.

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