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New Dem bill wants to add hearing, vision and dental to Medicare ( not covered currently )


Why are the Democrats not talking about these things in their new bill?

Why is the only thing that makes the news how much this bill will cost?

AND why is the cost only expressed in terms of the 10-year cost, so it seems 10 times higher to people do not get the context ... it confuses there hell out of voters ... like this country has always done. We have always been dishonest on the issue of taxes in the media about cost.

When we talk about the tax rate ... it is always from the perspective of the Super-Rich who are supposed to be paying the highest tax rates of all of us, but who do not even pay what they talk about in the media as these high rates, and neither do the corporations. When revenue was first brought up in our government it was ONLY the most rich and the most powerful Americans who were taxed at all.

Now the primary reason to tax Americans seems to be to reduce discretionary income so that American citizens are all financially strapped and do not have enough money to donate in their political interests so that the same people who finance both political parties can make this soap-opera reality show fiction that we have a democracy.

When real people want to use our real democracy, we find out it is total sham and that the "owners of the country" will use any means to shut us down. They pay for online trolls and social networking robots to show up and spew noise and Plutocratic talking points into every discussion, always adding in insults and injury to the Democrats - and all so dishonestly.

For example of dishonesty on the part of Republicans ... remember the endless hearings and money that was spent to attack Hillary Clinton when she was Sec. of State over Benghazi? The question is ... how is Trump's and the Republican's real serious attempted coup against our democratic government and fair voting laws less important and less critical than Benghazi?

And it seems like Joe Manchin, and Kirsten Sinema are not the only Democrats on the side of the Aristocratic insurgency, supporting it as much as they can from the opposition party? What kind of sense does that make?

The thing that polls the best with Democrats is fairness ... i.e Tax The Rich, and this is in the new Democratic bill legislated with a lot of input from Bernie Sanders and the Progressives ... and it is what the vast majority in both parties want to see happen ... and it is not even talked about.

When Plutocratic elites can control the media, and own ALL of our politicians ... we have a big problem, a fascist problem ... but what we do not have is a democracy.

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"When Plutocratic elites can control the media, and own ALL of our politicians ... we have a big problem, a fascist problem ... but what we do not have is a democracy."

this is what happens when a single party, namely the democrats own everything. including your right to free speech.

oh, and remember when Nancy and the dems freaked out when Trump won and said he cheated and then investigated for 2 years and found nothing? remember when dementia Joe said he would lose the election by chicanery and Hillary said not to accept the results of the election, then somehow dementia Joe won and now there is no chicanery and no investigation into the supposed chicanery. it seems like it all just happened yesterday...

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> this is what happens when a single party, namely the democrats own everything. including your right to free speech.

You got some good crack there bro. Where'd you come up with the lie that Democrats control everything - if they did this bill would have been passed in the 90's.

Big problems arise also when people like you lie till everyone else is blue in the face from the never-ending BS and those people in Red-States who never get to hear a blast of truth knuckle under from the deluge of BS they are fed from your fascist billionaire co-horts. What also puts your sanity into question since I'm pretty sure you're not a billionaire.

A few Donald Trump Jr's anonymously posting on the net can trick a lot of people who don't know ... but then again you cannot call that democracy when the people are not given the facts or made sure they get bad ones.

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but you just said this:

"When Plutocratic elites can control the media, and own ALL of our politicians ... we have a big problem, a fascist problem ... but what we do not have is a democracy."

if you are for fair elections then this election needs to be investigated just like the last one. but they wont because they know they will find fraud and collusion. when a Republican wins again, you and all the Chads and Karens will be crying foul. I cant wait! lol

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I guess you failed to actually follow up on your yammerings, like did you at all follow what happened in Arizona?

The issue of voter fraud is completely made up by Republicans because they need many different strategies to attack democracy when more people vote and less people support Republicans.

Did you follow what happened in the Georgia Senate election at all?

NO? You just whine and scream but you know damn well there is no voter fraud, except on the Republican side.

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We need a Mueller Report 2.0 style investigation, not a local one. you cant complain of fraud and chicanery before an election and then say there was none after the election, that makes no sense.

Here is the result from the audit. Look at the top 3.

https://i.imgflip.com/5o4ly4.jpg

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Not looking at that ... find a mainstream media report on the story not your fake cherry picked right-wing stuff.

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Duplicate ballots comingled with original ballots
Duplicated ballots with incorrect & missing serial numbers
Duplicates that reuse serial numbers
More duplicates than original ballots

https://pureintegritymichiganelections.org/2021/09/25/maricopa-county-arizona-forensic-audit-results/

Official Canvass has 3,432 more ballots cast than the list of people who show as having cast a vote (VM55)
9,041 mail-in voters show returning more ballots (EV33) than they were sent (EV32).
277 Precincts show in the Official Canvass as having more ballots cast than people who showed up to vote (VM55) for a total of 1,551 excess votes.
There are 2,472 ballots shown in EV33 that don’t have corresponding entries in the VM55, and only 2,042 ballots show as rejected in the Official Canvas for a discrepancy of 430.
397 mail-in ballots show as received (EV33) that never show as sent (EV32).
255,326 Early Votes show in the VM55 that do not have a corresponding EV33 entry.

23,344 voters voted via mail-in ballot even though they show in Melissa as having moved, and no one with the same last name shows as living at the address.
2,382 voters voted in-person even though they show in Melissa as having moved out of Maricopa County.
2,081 voters moved out-of-state during the 29 days before the election and were given a full ballot instead of a presidential-only ballot.

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Sorry. More nonsense links, no thanks.

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https://youtu.be/YifUn2-Pt6c

Nancy Pelosi sounds off that Trump won't win the 2020 election "one way or another."

more cheating and colluding and chicanery...

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So you think that Nancy Pelosi controls the national elections?
Even when you see for 30 years Republicans have been re-drawing the districts, gerrymandering the country and disenfranchising Democrats with secret legislative games at the state level?

What does it take for your braindead cult to open your eyes and let a little reality in? You're dealing with a set of lies as fact.

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moral of story, more people voted than are registered voters and a lot of ballots were scanned more than once. no matter how many times you count the ballots dementia Joe will win, thats because of all the extra votes, mail-in, absentee ballots were comingled with in person voting. there is no way to separate them now. and you cant throw out votes either. so yeah dementia Joe won but by chicanery, just like he said would happen.

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BS ... you right-wingers ought to come clean and stop your lying. Now somehow you think if you just keep repeating the same thing, and then have other fake right-wingers come and comment you can win an argument. What a joke.

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I know a few people who get FREE EVERYTHING on medicare medicaid. NOW.

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Yeah, probably your but you still whine and complain because you are seriously mentally ill.

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You should report them and oust them. Maybe you'll get a snitch reward as well. How dare they mooch off the system. Make the media headlines with it too and show conservatives everywhere how bad it is to mooch, or would it have the opposite effect eh?

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Well, you could always tweet them this since those are some good points made in the above. I did see one interview on Fox about the cost being stretched in 10 years and not right off the bat.

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Yeah, they do that every now and then, but there should be a standard for journalists discussion the budget process that clarifies and informs Americans about the context and what they are talking about. In the past years, especially since the final stupid election of Trump in 2016 the subject of the awful messaging of the Democrats seems to have broken past the ignoring level to the point that quite a few people are wondering if it is deliberate, and if so why? Democrats could hardly be worse at doing their jobs if they were trying ... so probably they, or many of them are trying to play at being an opposition party, but continually setting themselves up to lose.

The way things are now, I think Conservative Democrats need to go over to the Republican party and try to take it back by appealing to rational conservatives ... while real Democrats, like Sanders, Warren, and others purge the party of deadbeats like Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema. But that would lead to some real debate, discussion and democracy, and the system as a whole really does not want to see that.

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The thing with so-called deadbeats, you'd want them than full Republican. If I recall, Manchin at least votes about 50/50 with Democrats (less during Trump). The state he represents is heavily red so if there is no Manchin, there would be no Democrat controlled Senate. Some of the stuff the Dems want to pass is being held up by one of the two or both though. Manchin does support Biden most of the time.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/

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> The state he represents is heavily red so if there is no Manchin, there would be no Democrat controlled Senate.

That might be true. That is what Manchin tells us, but what use is it to have a Democrat in office if he does not vote as a Democrat ... or in this case, vote as a Democrat and risk his office to do the right thing. I'm pretty sure that if Manchin sides with the Democrats his constituents will see the value in what the Democrats did because of its effect on West Virginia.

Just remember that WV elected Richard Ojeda and he is very much to the Left, so there is a constituency there for progress that will come out of hiding when Democratic policies and Progressive ideas start showing some value to the people.

This particular issue Manchin needs a come to Jesus moment as they say, because if the Democrats cannot pass their legislation and lose the next election because of it, the whole party might not be around in 10 years. If Manchin cannot see that the country is going to be in a heck of a mess.

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