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Most “anti-Israel” talk is latent antisemitism

posted 4 years ago by MovieBuff224 (5053)
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Here is why this is obvious:

Most of the individuals saying things like “why do we help Israel, we need to cut them off” or “Israel is committing genocide” 1. Are usually oblivious to the fact that we ceased all foreign aid to Israel decades ago, the 3 billion we give them is strictly military aid and to support our own interests. They are entirely self sufficient.

And 2. Don’t give two shits about the millions of Muslims being oppressed and slaughtered by their own governments elsewhere in the Middle East, nor any of the innumerable human rights atrocities taking place all over the world. They expect you to believe that they are specifically concerned with this one isolated population of Arabs (whose plight and circumstances they know absolutely nothing about nor do they care) while they espouse racist views towards most other groups and completely disregard the deep resentment held towards the West by most Arabs (including Palestinians) independent of our support of Israel.

The funny part about this is you don’t have to dig much to uncover their latent antisemitism, one or two comments deep in any conversation on the conflict and the Jewish world domination conspiracy theories start flying and you see where they really “stand” on an isolated conflict that they really don’t know anything about nor care.

[–] chilidoggg (14267) 4 years ago

As the signs say, "Silence Is Violence."

Every moment you are NOT expressing something supportive of Israel, you are being antisemitic.

[–] MovieBuff224 (5053) 4 years ago

What?

[–] brucewayne (319) 4 years ago

3 billion in military aid is 3 billion they dont have to spend themselves on the military .its like saying "nooo I dont give bruce food aid, I only give him gas money and rent money! it doesnt help him get food at all!"

what interest? the area is a destabilized mess. I won't say at all its largely due to Israel, but is largely due to the US happily supporting pro terrorist Saudi, defending Israel when they commit warcrimes or do other questionable things ect.

Theres a million dead Iraqis thanks to the US invasion. since 2001 where has there been 1 million dead Arabs killed? yes when america supports extremist fundamentalists and terrorist groups, and these groups win out and press other elelemtns then you say "see they are just extreme! they commit atrocities!" ya cause we help and have been supporting strong men extremists for decades.

finally your post proved nothing about antisemitism at all. its a catch phrase used by conservatives and Israelis to attack anyone who dares question their occupation. some right wing groups have even called BERNIE SANDERS anti Semitic.

please look t yourself. the conspiracies of "Jewish world domination" are largely on the right without a doubt.

https://youtu.be/0TRO-CWQo5E

here's one of your pro trump, anti vaccine boys. ohh he loves to talk about the jews controlling everything. read the comments. him and his fans are vehemently against mixing the races too.

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

The reason the so-called ill-conceived and ill-executed "War On Terror" was prosecuted is that going back hundreds of years this area has been a thorn in the side of the rest of the world, and a miserable place for their own people, and that pretty much spreads throughout the Islamic world. But it centers right in the area of Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan. Remember the Shores of Tripoli ... Libya, refers to the First Barbary War, and specifically the Battle of Derne in 1805, over 200 years ago, and the dominant meme of these societies is still barbarism and piracy.

It is true that we support the strong men in the area, but we did not support the religious leaders in Iran, or Bashar Hafez al-Assad, the "President" of Syria. The most objective description is that we support strong men who are under our influence. I think the argument can be made that the countries that ally with the US do better than those who ally with Russia, Iran or China. Not always or in all things, but these places are they way are in large part to cultures that are abusive, traumatizing, anti-science, dogmatic, and terrorizing. Just a while ago in Iran a teen-age girl was sentenced to 15 years prison posting distorted pictures of her face online. In you went to Palestine and talked too long or were overheard to discuss political subjects with someone they would be in danger of being accused of being a collaborator with the West and shot, beaten, or dragged through the streets.

These are the kind of facts that some misguided people on the Left seem to just ignore thinking they are caring for the poor Palestinians who are the victims of Israel.

Israel is more multicultural than the Arab/Islamic world as well. Arabs and Muslims live in Israel. How many Jews live in Palestine or would live in Palestine if it was a recognized country? Why don't Palestinians recognize Israel and get on with their lives? The Hamas charter tells it all - their priority is to destroy Israel, not to live in peace.

I have to wonder why the Israel haters get this world view they have.

As to the great Jewish conspiracy to take over the world it is kind of interesting to consider. What about the great Greek conspiracy of Alexander, or Rome, or Persia, or Spain, Portugal, England, Holland, Germany, Russia, China, Japan?????

This Jewish conspiracy has not military like all the others. They've brought science, entertainment, medicine, movies, etc ... what are they going to entertain us to death?

By the way I am not Jewish. Not Christian, Not Muslim. A generic white guy.

[–] brucewayne (319) 4 years ago

"The reason the so-called ill-conceived and ill-executed "War On Terror" was prosecuted is that going back hundreds of years this area has been a thorn in the side of the rest of the world, and a miserable place for their own people, and that pretty much spreads throughout the Islamic world. But it centers right in the area of Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan. Remember the Shores of Tripoli ... Libya, refers to the First Barbary War, and specifically the Battle of Derne in 1805, over 200 years ago, and the dominant meme of these societies is still barbarism and piracy."

YOUR simplistic ahistorical reading of events is a classic conservative tactic. Ironically you leave out ww2, ww1, and the previous 1000 plus years of CONSTANT European war and mass death. pointing this area as uniquely a hell hole this entire time is as I said, an ahistorical childish reading of history and shoes you have no idea what you are talking about

"It is true that we support the strong men in the area, but we did not support the religious leaders in Iran, or Bashar Hafez al-Assad, the "President" of Syria. The most objective description is that we support strong men who are under our influence. I think the argument can be made that the countries that ally with the US do better than those who ally with Russia, Iran or China. Not always or in all things, but these places are they way are in large part to cultures that are abusive, traumatizing, anti-science, dogmatic, and terrorizing. Just a while ago in Iran a teen-age girl was sentenced to 15 years prison posting distorted pictures of her face online. In you went to Palestine and talked too long or were overheard to discuss political subjects with someone they would be in danger of being accused of being a collaborator with the West and shot, beaten, or dragged through the streets."

wow you picked out two examples of dozens and thinks that proves your point! yes the religious extremists in Iran were about to get support and power BECAUSE the USA had installed a puppet dictator.

wow your child like understanding of not only politics but history gets explored again

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

> YOUR simplistic ahistorical reading of events is a classic conservative tactic.

You are playing that moronic "simplicity" argument over and over based on your opinion, which from your comments is totally without factual basis or merit.

As to simplicity, I am not going to write a scholarly paper for the likes of you. A simply explanation that explains the facts is enough to prove my point. You have come back with nothing.

[–] brucewayne (319) 4 years ago

No its a fact. if you just say things like

going back hundreds of years this area has been a thorn in the side of the rest of the world, and a miserable place for their own people, and that pretty much spreads throughout the Islamic world. But it centers right in the area of Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan. Remember the Shores of Tripoli ... Libya, refers to the First Barbary War, and specifically the Battle of Derne in 1805, over 200 years ago, and the dominant meme of these societies is still barbarism and piracy.

then you are factually giving a simplistic ahistorical reading of history. that's not my opinion. that's reality. You dont have to write a scholarly paper by any means, you just have to consider actual reality.

your topic is akin to saying america is the only republic in the world. it is, if you ignore every other one. Equally the Middle East has a horrible history of violence and "going back hundreds of years this area has been a thorn in the side of the rest of the world". only if you ignore all the other horrible things and places that took place during this time

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

Do not try to sound sane after you said this:

> wow your child like understanding of not only politics but history gets explored again

Anything you say is not serious. Your analogies are ridiculous. The point is that brands of political Islam have held this area back while the rest of the world has moved forward. The low-tech totalitarianism of radical political Islam has created institutions that prevent modernization or the acceptance of scientific truths.

[–] brucewayne (319) 4 years ago

omg it autocorrected from exposed to explored! I must not sound "sane"

the reek of desperation is overwhelming here. You had nothing at all so you did a step by step textbook exposure of a desperate person reaching for straws

1. ignore the points I brought up that disprove your nonsense
2. cry that I name called
3. become a grammar nazi and nitpick that a word got autocorrected so im not "sane"

my analogy is perfect. I was exposing what ahistoracism is. you take a narrow reading of events and ignore the broader context. so acting like only the Middle East was a hellhole of violence during that time but Europe wasnt makes no sense.

lol you have nothing. you can move along now. I can only unman someone so much on here

[–] brucewayne (319) 4 years ago

"
As to the great Jewish conspiracy to take over the world it is kind of interesting to consider. What about the great Greek conspiracy of Alexander, or Rome, or Persia, or Spain, Portugal, England, Holland, Germany, Russia, China, Japan?????

This Jewish conspiracy has not military like all the others. They've brought science, entertainment, medicine, movies, etc ... what are they going to entertain us to death?

By the way I am not Jewish. Not Christian, Not Muslim. A generic white guy.

"

please go away. your posts are embarrassingly simplistic and childlike. id understand if a 14 year old wrote this but a grown man?

yes people in stable countries that are decently financially stable make innovations...

its why most of the innovations now happen in western countries (and other decently stable affluent countries) not poorer African and Asian countries.

its why in the past for example many of them happened in Ancient Rome not feuding tribal briton.

this isnt rocket science. stability, wealth, trade and security breeds the environment for development whether its scientific progress or in the arts and medicine.

this is all basic obvious stuff. that went right over your head and confused you leading you to your nonsense post.

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

> your posts are embarrassingly simplistic and childlike.

That is because I thought I was writing so a 14 year old could understand me.
I over-estimated your intelligence level.

[–] brucewayne (319) 4 years ago

except not at all. This is the level you think at.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you didn't address a single point I brought up about ability and wealth brining about development and innovation because you know you are wrong.

you just admitted it without having to write a thing by totally sidestepping.

again your simplistic ahistorical nonsense < my actual fact based logical explanations int he broader context of history without cherry picking.

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

If you had said anything resembling an intelligent argument I would have argued with you. Try again, or better yet just keep calling me names and declaring victory.

[–] brucewayne (319) 4 years ago

except I did. I totally dismantled your nonsense by giving not only an obvious explanation, but a logical one. you totally dodged it because you know I embarrassed you. hey maybe dont ay such silly things and you won't get called out on them??

where in that post did I name call? Jesus man you re spiralling now and playing the victim card. this keeps getting more and more pathetic.

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

You did not really say that well, but I mostly agree with you. The people who criticize Israel, their information and their attitudes are mostly ignorant and not serious.

What bothers me is that somehow all this criticism is all bundled up and left at the feet of the Left who are somehow supposed to believe in liberal social and economic norms - none of which do any of these countries subscribe to. Any liberal who attacks Israel and supports the Palestinians is confused to say the least about what liberalism is.

[–] MovieBuff224 (5053) 4 years ago

Yeah exactly the values and culture of the Muslim world are the antithesis of liberal ideology.

[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

Members of any group, successful or not can be annoying, obnoxious or criminal, the same as every human being. But look at their cultures, their believes, the codes they lives by. With Jews it is pretty simple. What I got from talking with a Rabbi for coffee on time was "don't do to another what you would not have done to yourself". That is pretty much the same with Christianity too. I've never heard it with any emphasis about Islam but I have heard the claim made that they have the same ethic since they are an Abrahamic religion.

While I believe in and stick up for Western values ... the Wests ought to start bringing them back because talk the talk but less and less seem to walk the walk of our own values.

[–] ShutupWuchak (0) 4 years ago

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[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

Yeah, and thesis, followed by argument. Statements must be proven and in themselves are not valid unless proven, and do not make up an argument

[–] ShutupWuchak (0) 4 years ago

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[–] brux (14724) 4 years ago

Just the truth.

[–] ultravioletx (10237) 4 years ago

This form of Antisemitism is a trick the right uses to get the left to go along with Saudi Arabia's desire for Middle Eastern dominance. The Saudis and Israelis are joined at the hip in their venture to take out Iran and turn Syria into an Islamic State. Anyone who doesn't go along with it is labeled as a hater of Jewish people.

Saudi Arabia is where all the Jihadist crap stems from. Black/white Daesh Wahhabism forms within Saudi borders and spreads beyond. But they are strongly allied with Israel and the US which means we only go after the tails that grow beyond the border, never striking the head of the snake.