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Why is it ok to remove confederate flags and not the Stars and Stripes?


After all, both were equally racist.

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Not really The North was the first Nazis since they targeted Black slaves and keep the movement please don't insult the star-spangled banner and yes I support Players Kneeling for 2020-21 NFL Season

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Not really.

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Yeah, the North only instituted a policy of ethnic cleansing against the indigenous population of hundreds of thousands, and enacted white supremacist rules against minorities that the Nazis basically modeled the Nuremberg laws after.

But yeah, you did a nice job convincing me otherwise. It’s sad how deluded Americans are about their racist country. Even after they put five racist asshats and an Uncle Tom in the White House over the last 3 decades they still think they’re so enlightened. “Everything’s been fine since 1865, get over it n-ggers.” Arguably the only thing worse than the men holding the whip are those bystanders that either ignore it or try to rationalize it. You could present overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and they’d still stick their head in the sand, shrug, and say “Nah, not really.” Absolutely astounding.

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You are making a lot of assumptions that are so easy to slam you over and impeach your every thought, but I won't do that. I will say I don't take the attitude you are displaying seriously.

There are so many other factors here that calling both sides equally racists is just an attempt to provoke - it has no real meaning nor does it make any argument, nor do explain the context in which or why you are even saying that. The obvious answer would be trolling.

The Native Americans marched out to the West mostly came from the South by the way. But yes, there was genocide ... forget ethnic cleansing. The First Nations People were killed and after than they used to take their children and put them in white homes, or forbid them from speaking their language. That is an evil certainly.

But here is one difference, i.e. the main difference. That is that the Confederate flag stood for breaking up the union and for slavery. The Union continued on, yes, with many of the same problems, but also a few generations later gave the vote to women. Then a few generations later saved the world from the same kind of evil you are claiming the Nazis got from American - implying America was as bad as the Nazis - which makes your whole house of cards argument blow away, reducing your ideas to uselessness and trolling.

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Ah it seems I've touched a nerve. Clearly you've been a victim of too much star spangled koolaid to think rationally. I can at least recognize the attempt to be objective, but your own bias has betrayed you. It's obvious you're willing to twist and contort history to justify your racist apartheid state no matter what. Most disingenuous to say the least.

There are so many other factors here that calling both sides equally racists is just an attempt to provoke - it has no real meaning nor does it make any argument, nor do explain the context in which or why you are even saying that. The obvious answer would be trolling.

The argument is that both sides are equally racist. Do not try to overcomplicate it. You're living in a country founded and based upon normalized white supremacy. Not a difficult concept to grasp, but I know it's hard to acknowledge when you suffer from serious cognitive dissonance as so many Americans do. Also "trolling" isn't a real word, or at least an academic one. Please refrain from using internet lingo in a serious discussion. It just makes your position look weak and defeatist.

The Native Americans marched out to the West mostly came from the South by the way.

Wow, you passed grade school geography. Nice job. But it doesn't change the fact that the Federal government was mostly responsible for wiping out hundreds of thousands of American Indians and imprisoning them in ghettos. But somehow doing that to one ethnicity is more 'acceptable' historically in America's grand narrative of manifest destiny. That's not even mentioning the vast swathe of codified racism that no other country had to such an extent.

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> Ah it seems I've touched a nerve. Clearly you've been a victim of too much star spangled koolaid to think rationally.

Dude, you are ridiculous. You right-wing schlubs think you win arguments by just assuming it. Oh, I touched a nerve ... how stupid, stupid people always bother others, it doesn't make them right.

Then the Kool-Aid comment. You people ought to learn how to deal with reality.

America is not generally raCIST, although there are some left, louder now thanks to Trump. We have the first black Leader of any major Western caucasian country. When do you think China might do that, or Russia dumb$$.

What pure racially integrated country do you come from?

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That is that the Confederate flag stood for breaking up the union and for slavery. The Union continued on, yes, with many of the same problems, but also a few generations later gave the vote to women.

A fair re imagining of history, but not altogether convincing. The Confederacy stood for autonomous taxation as primary reasons for leaving. The Union did not care about abolishing slavery until it was politically expedient for it to do so as a means of subjugating the south. Assuming that the North cared at all about the welfare of blacks is hilariously myopic.

Then a few generations later saved the world from the same kind of evil you are claiming the Nazis got from American - implying America was as bad as the Nazis - which makes your whole house of cards argument blow away

Useless hyperbole, I've found better on youtube. I never even made a mention of "America being as bad as the Nazis," but now that you've mentioned it, you're right. After all, the Nazi party was funded by wealthy American capitalists, and it was after Nazi officials traveled to New York to observe the extensive and complex legal documentation of racial supremacy that they began to draft their own version. If anything, the USA sided with evil to defeat "evil." And were then happy to perpetuate their own unique brand of evil across the world. Arguably, the USA is worse than Nazi Germany in many aspects.

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> A fair re imagining of history, but not altogether convincing.

Hard to convince someone who's making minimum wage for lying online all day, so that was not my aim.

> Arguably, the USA is worse than Nazi Germany in many aspects.

Name 3.

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"Arguably, the USA is worse than Nazi Germany in many aspects. " degree7

doesn't get any better than that, folks

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F YOU🙂

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The Confederates tried to destroy the United States. It's not an American flag!

The flag of treason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w7kwtLJtVc

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Well, we need to keep ONE flag no matter the racist past. That's how our country was founded. Maybe people just want to destroy it within so they can change the flag. Until then, you need still need one of the two flags and it's obvious that no one would wants to raise a flag of fail/surrender.

ie: You know how when USSR fell the flag changed? Or when China revolted and made their own flag? Maybe they want to do that.

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...Turn off the internet for a few years and we can all go back in time.

Who knows?

[look above]

It's such a politically charged question...

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