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Something these protests have got me thinking about.

posted 4 years ago by samoanjoes (56669)
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I was thinking about all of this stuff about police brutality. I believe there is definitely an issue with trigger happy cops, but not all of course. I was wondering if I was right and if so, what could be the reason. I then decided to do the research myself which then brought me to looking into some of the victims themselves. Below are a few of the bigger names of people who were killed by police and their criminal history.

Eric Garner
Arrested by the NYPD more than 30 times: Assault, resisting arrest, and grand larceny. He was out on bail for: driving without a license, marijuana possession, and false impersonation.

Sandra Bland
Charged 5 times for driving without insurance, four times for speeding, and once each for driving while intoxicated and drug possession. Her final conviction was for shoplifting, and owed over $7,000 in unpaid fines at the time of her death.

Freddie Gray
No specifics other than drug charges and minor crimes.

Alton Sterling
Charged for felony theft, simple burglary, domestic abuse battery, failure to comply with sex offender registration and 33 other charges/arrests.

George Floyd
Jail term for 5 years for assault and robbery. Also convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs after his jail term.

Walter Scott
Owed $18,000 in child support payments, arrested on assault and battery charges and convicted in 1991 of possession of a bludgeon. He was in jail 3 times since 2008.

Please read all of this to understand my point:
Now, we have people here with all of these charges. Some of them should have been in jail, but didn't go. Some of them did go, but continued with their crimes. But the question is: why does it take the death of these people before they protest? For example: Eric Garner was arrested 30 times and never spent a day in jail. All of these people had extensive criminal records but were free for the most part. To me, the issue is more than just cops, it's the entire justice system. We need to be harder on people who commit crimes. That includes the police just like the cop in the latest shooting where he had 17 complaints against him. Why wasn't he fired beforehand? Surely 17 complaints should be a huge red flag. And he wasn't the only cop who had extensive complaints against them.

[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 4 years ago

Did you see the walter scott shooting?
https://youtu.be/XKQqgVlk0NQ

Then there’s this. Dude didn’t die but still.
https://youtu.be/eqBAOX6Qegk

[–] samoanjoes (56669) 4 years ago

There's obviously something with police. I think they need to be charged in those incidents. I also think they should be mentally evaluated every 6-12 months. A lot of these cops are trigger happy and I think it's from bottled up rage with what they have to put up with. I also think there should be harsher punishments for criminals like I mentioned above.

[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

"A lot of these cops are trigger happy and I think it's from bottled up rage with what they have to put up with"

Trigger happy? I think that is extremely rare.

[–] samoanjoes (56669) 4 years ago

Can I ask what you think it is?

[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

I think it's a pushed narrative by the media in part. They definitely push the "gun control" agenda any chance they get, along with the liberal politicians, especially those wanting to do away with the 2nd Amendment.
"Trigger-happy cops" would also help in that push.

But you don't need a gun to kill someone. Look at Floyd.

[–] snepts (11123) 4 years ago

Talk about pushing a narrative ! That's all I see here is alt-rights pushing a narrative, blaming the media and Hollywood for what is common sense progressive thinking in a massively rich country where most of us are poor.
The majority of people want gun control as well as a woman's right to choose. But the wrong wing politicize all evidence of this as being an agenda from the left. The side that created dirty politics cries about being outed and claims it's a conspiracy. Makes me want to spit.

[–] samoanjoes (56669) 4 years ago

No one is completely blaming the media, but you can't say they don't have their hand in a lot of it. I saw this comment online and it got me thinking:

Q: What do the media call a white police officer who negligently shoots and kills an unarmed black man?

A: Racist.

Q: What do the media call a white police officer who negligently shoots and kills an unarmed white man?

A: Bad cop.

[–] TalkinPikchorBox (2250) 4 years ago

I think its how they are trained. Especially these days, it’s not about protecting and serving anymore. Cops have become very militarized. I haven’t seen a beat cop in forever.

Edit: as for harsher punishments...lawyers make America’s streets very unsafe.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjipYKbOOU this too

[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

And the news media always portrays the criminals as "innocent" and "unarmed."

Sure, they may be unarmed but it doesn't mean things didn't escalate. We don't know the details surrounding any arrest.

Did you also know that cops are told in training that the offenders will often say they can't breathe just so they can try to get out of their grip?
I'm not saying it doesn't happen that they can't breathe. It obviously happened to George Floyd. But all too often it's a bluff.

Cops aren't perfect. They're only human. They have one of the hardest jobs around. They are under appreciated and are looked upon as the bad guys by the media and many politicians. It's quite sickening.

The Justice system is definitely broken. The consequences are WEAK!
During COVID19 they were letting the prisoners out! I couldn't believe it! Are they back in? Will they go back in? They showed one prison where a guy tested positive and a bunch of inmates purposely drank from the same cup so they can get it too in order to get out.

[–] samoanjoes (56669) 4 years ago

I remember two years ago on Twitter I mentioned that police can't just take the word of someone saying "I can't breathe" and I got called a racist. I said that if they claimed they were innocent, would you just let them go? Obviously not, so I can't expect a cop to risk his life going on the honour system.

But I also hate when the media portrays these "victims" as "a gentle soul", "wouldn't harm a fly", "everyone loved him". There's nothing wrong with telling the truth. It doesn't mean they deserve to die, but the truth needs to be revealed. I mean, if the killer cop's history comes out, why not the criminals who were walking the streets for years where people talk about how big of angels they were.

[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

"I remember two years ago on Twitter I mentioned that police can't just take the word of someone saying "I can't breathe" and I got called a racist."

Of course you did. That's the usual response.

"I said that if they claimed they were innocent, would you just let them go? Obviously not, so I can't expect a cop to risk his life going on the honour system."

Exactly! Cops are dealing with law breakers, not law abiding citizens. For the most part anyway. There's mistakes, I'm sure. Like that couple trying to get the attention of the police when their store was being looted...the cops arrested the owners! A reporter told the cops they were arresting the wrong people. It got all straightened out but cops don't just automatically know who's who. They're doing the best they can.

"But I also hate when the media portrays these "victims" as "a gentle soul", "wouldn't harm a fly", "everyone loved him"."

I completely agree! They're calling George a "gentle giant." But he had a shady past. It doesn't mean he wasn't a nice guy though. People aren't one-dimensional. There's good and bad in all of us. But it's the putting them up on a pedestal I can't stomach. What the cops did to that man was horrific. But if he didn't get arrested in the first place, it wouldn't have happened.

"There's nothing wrong with telling the truth. It doesn't mean they deserve to die, but the truth needs to be revealed."

The media tells a story the way they want to. They have a narrative and an agenda to push.

"I mean, if the killer cop's history comes out, why not the criminals who were walking the streets for years where people talk about how big of angels they were."

I don't see that happening unless reporters start reporting facts.
George is a 100% victim in the eyes of the media and those who believe them.

[–] samoanjoes (56669) 4 years ago

And then people wonder why people say racism doesn't exist, it's just the media putting us against each other. I believe racism exists and I still think media is to blame for a lot of it.

[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

That's it!

The news outlets are owned by the left. Even Fox, which is barely conservative. Just conservative enough to have both sides at each others throats.
Once you know this you won't fall victim to it.
You have to use your brains.

[–] JDogNight (108) 4 years ago

Nearly 10 minutes of kneeling on someone's neck, when they have stopped struggling, is overuse of force.

He even knelt for over 2 minutes AFTER Floyd lost consciousness. Just for spite.

Keep defending it all you want, but you're just a troll. Or a racist POS. Or both.

[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

"Nearly 10 minutes of kneeling on someone's neck, when they have stopped struggling, is overuse of force."

That is correct.

"He even knelt for over 2 minutes AFTER Floyd lost consciousness. Just for spite."

That is also correct.

"Keep defending it all you want, but you're just a troll. Or a racist POS. Or both."

What am I defending? You have me confused with someone else.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

While I agree that there are some bad cops, they are a minority. They need to be removed. However, I do not agree that 17 complaints by itself indicates a bad cop. They have to be investigated to determine if there is merit. The corrupt cops, who are in league with the criminals, never get complaints. Good cops who are trying to clean up a neighborhood may get many groundless complaints filed by gang members who want to get rid of them.
I have heard many people say that 99% of police do a good job. In my experience, about 5% are a problem. The majority are good, but that 5% needs to be dealt with.

[–] samoanjoes (56669) 4 years ago

The cop had 15 of his 17 complaints dropped so maybe he was innocent enough. But they would have to look at how many complaints he had against him and compare it to other cops. If someone is disproportionately getting more complaints than others, I think that's something to look into.

[–] Rorikon (17855) 4 years ago

BUT HE A GOOD BOY. HE DIN-DU NUFFIN. HE WAS GOING TO GET A COLLECT DEGREE AND BECOME A FINE YOUNG DOCTOR.

Lot of these repeat suspects are just asking for be eventually shot with so many felonies. Why even release them from jail? Should be 6 strikes for felonies then you're out as in jailed for indefinite amount of time. Personally I prefer 3 but it seems we have to keep giving people chances until they reform which I find stupid. 3 chances is a lot of chances. Democrat run system seems to be, "we can't help lift blacks from their own undoing so the only way to help them is let them roam and take whatever they want from hard working innocent folks until they kill someone or someone kills them."

[–] samoanjoes (56669) 4 years ago

It's strange, I was thinking if Bill Cosby got shot and killed by a cop, would Black Lives Matter riot in his defence knowing his history? Is Black Lives Matter even aware of the history of the people they are protesting for? Maybe they should save it for someone who has a clean record who was unjustly killed by a cop. Unfortunately, few of these people don't have a criminal record. And I'm not just talking about black people. Usually those who get killed by police have a criminal record.