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RESOLVED: Merging titles. A constant issue.


Hi, major contributor here.
Last year, Arrow released a Nikkatsu box set including a film by Haruyasu Noguchi. This is titled "Murder Unincorporated", and there was no English transliteration of the Japanese title on the cover. Now, I can read and speak Japanese and have translated literally hundred of casts and new titles. Unfortunately, I noticed that the film wasn't listed in the database, and what's more, the English title had been added to a different movie: "Toba no mesu neko: sutemi no shôbu". So I submitted an entry for the missing movie, "Dainippon koroshiya den".
Now I've found that some *insult who can't read Japanese* has merged the two titles.
Even if you can't read the language, you can see that the two titles have totally different ideograms and release dates, going by the authorative Japanese Movie Database.

1965: Dainippon koroshiya den (http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1965/co002820.htm): you can see the credited title here (the third one, where the men are lined up), scrolling down (http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-ray_reviews_72/diamond_guys_2_blu-ray.htm). This is the one released by Arrow.

"Toba no mesu neko: sutemi no shôbu", instead, is written with these ideograms: 賭場の牝猫 捨身の勝負 (entry: http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1966/cp000960.htm); it got released a year later in 1966, as a matter of fact, and it's never been released on any format. Not to mention it means a totally different thing.

Is there a way to lock titles? The big issue here is not only about this very title. This should lead to a reconsideration of the merging process: there should be a kind of history like the one used on RYM.com (so that you have a list of the last changes and can read the reasons why the title has been modified and by which user has been modified, and things like that); in alternative, a strict control in some way has to be applied, because if now I resubmit the correct entry for the missing film, all the cast and so on, then some other *not experienced fellow* arrives, submits a merging and we're back to the starting point.

Regards,
Daniele.

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So I submitted an entry for the missing movie, "Dainippon koroshiya den". You probably didn't have to do that.

Even if you can't read the language, you can see that the two titles have totally different ideograms and release dates, going by the authorative Japanese Movie Database. It makes no sense that the titles were merged. I wonder if it was caused by a glitch. Anyway, it possible that the person who submitted the merge did so on account of a faulty source. There could've been multiple users involved over the span of years and who were caught up in some kind of domino effect of confusion.

Is there a way to lock titles? Probably, but it won't stop somebody who has adequate privileges from making the mistake. (Which is why the "miscellaneous comments" can be attached to title entries and name entries.)

This should lead to a reconsideration of the merging process: there should be a kind of history like the one used on RYM.com (so that you have a list of the last changes and can read the reasons why the title has been modified and by which user has been modified, and things like that); Something like that probably already exists, but we regular contributors cannot see it. Maybe IMDb's verifiability standards need to be enhanced.

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Something like that probably already exists, but we regular contributors cannot see it. Maybe IMDb's verifiability standards need to be enhanced.
It should be visible to us, too, so that we can reply if needed. Anyway, something must be done.

About the "Noguchi issue", I'll be waiting for instructions from the staff or admins...

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... there should be a kind of history ... so that you have a list of the last changes ....
        See also:
          https://getsatisfaction.com/imdb/topics/visible_edit_history

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Hi vitale-daniele,

Apologies for the error, I can see that some of the credits relating to the merge have since been removed and I've taken it off as a valid AKA for Murder Unincorporated. Have you added a new title page for Dainippon koroshiya den since this message or does this title still need to be added to IMDb? If so do you have the original reference you submitted it under and I can add it on your behalf to make sure it isn't merged again?

Thanks,
Will

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Hi, Will, thanks for replying.
No, I didn't add it again, because I was waiting for instrucitons.
The reference I used is this (http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1965/co002820.htm) for the date and title, but I translated all the credits and info using a copy I own. I can translate it again, of course, but the title should be "locked". Also the "Murder Unincorporated" and the 1965 date, now incorrectly listed in the other film page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1167868/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_inf), should be deleted permanently if possible (also the images are obviously in the wrong place and belong to the merged title). It would be fine if you could submit the title on my behalf, and then I can complete the credits. Let me know if it's ok.
Regards.

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Hi vitale-daniele,

OK I've created a new title http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6511086/ and moved the filmography credits you submitted to the new const which will show up shortly. Do you mind making the other edits to clean up the titles?

Thanks,
Will

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Thank you very much!
I'll make the other edits, then.

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Thanks vitale-daniele, much obliged.

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