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Unsung Stars


On a recent edition of the quiz show The Chase, a contestant was asked to choose which of the following actors is older A) Morgan Freeman. B)Gary Oldman. C)Paul Newman. He wrongly answered Morgan Freeman, his justification being that he had "never heard of Paul Newman" !!! The Host, the 'chaser', and his fellow contestants were duly stunned, as was I.The contestant was not a child, but a young man in his 20's, so age is not an excuse. Newman did not die that many years ago, to have been so quickly forgotten, surely...but it got me thinking...

How important is it to preserve the names and memories of forgotten performers and films?

If you were to ask somebody with little more than a passing interest in Classic films to name 10 actors from the "old days", chances are they would say something like John Wayne, Marilyn Monroe, Marlon Brando, Humphrey Bogart, James Cagney, Clark Gable, Bette Davis, Cary Grant, James Dean, Audrey Hepburn. Generally speaking, these performers have transcended their film appearances to become symbols of their age, and representatives of cinema of the past. In short, they are simply 'Famous', and justly so.

However... While I doubt there are very many who would disagree with the high regard placed on those particular actors, a more knowledgable Classic film fan may make a very different list. My point is, for every Cary Grant, there was a Brian Aherne, Douglas Fairbanks Jr,Ray Milland etc. For every Cagney, a George Raft, Lloyd Nolan, Chester Morris....et al.

I do not suggest that these actors are in any way interchangeable, or similar (although they may share certain traits), merely that they were contemporaries of the better remembered Stars, but have long since disappeared from general public consciousness.

In 50 years time, the names of Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Meryl Streep, or Tom Hanks may still be remembered, but what of Jeremy Renner, or Christian Bale, or Lupita Nyong'o (to choose 3 names at random)? Who can say..?

All of this is my long winded way of asking, who are some of your favourite performers, perhaps once household names, who are now forgotten by the general public ? I am not asking for small part players, but genuine leading actors, with the titles of their best work.


My particular favourites are:

Maxwell Reed - The Dark Man; Night Beat;Daybreak; The Brain Machine
Patricia Dainton - Third Alibi; Witness In The Dark;Operation Diplomat
Susan Shaw - The Woman In Question; Wide Boy
Sidney Tafler - Mystery Junction; Wide Boy
Yvonne Mitchell - Queen Of Spades; Sapphire; Turn The Key Softly; Woman In A Dressing Gown
Constance Cummings - Seven Sinners; Movie Crazy; Busman's Honeymoon; The Foreman Went To France
Sally Gray - A Window In London; The Saint's Vacation; Green For Danger; Obsession
Joan Dowling - No Room At The Inn; Train Of Events; Murder Without Crime


There are many others, of course, but this is just to start the ball rolling. Although the names mentioned are all from the U.K, and may not have been particularly familiar to international audiences even at the time, I can guarantee you that they sadly mean nothing to people here in Britain today, anymore than they might in any other part of the world, and yet, they all once adorned magazine covers, and had their names up in lights on a cinema marquee.


With the last few days available to us on this site, let's champion all those forgotten names who provided us with so much pleasure.






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Hi Canterbury,

Great post.

I think it all comes down to what films and series young people are shown. If they have never seen a pre 90's, or pre 60's film, then it is unlikely(however shocking to fans of classic cinema)that they would know any older star. However I am surprised at the Newman story, as he was in many films in the 90's and 2000's that the majority of people would have seen.

I've met people who refuse to watch anything made outside of America, UK, or Australia, because they don't like reading subtitles! Think of all the great films, series and stars such people miss out on. There are also some people who won't watch black and white films.

On to the forgotten stars(not forgotten by many of us here, but I doubt non classic fans know them) here are some I love.

Margaret Lockwood
Eric Portman
Herbert Marshall
Lingyu Ruan
Billie Burke
Earl Cameron
Jean Kent
Nigel Patrick
Jean Peters
Donald Calthrop
Walter Brennan
William Bendix
Michael Goodliffe
Marie Windsor
Charles McGraw
Stanley Baker

I think it would help if stations showed rarer films, instead of showing the same films we all probably seen: Some Like It Hot, Wizard Of Oz, Sound of Music etc. It seems to me that the same films seem to get shown every week here in the UK.






Go to bed Frank or this is going to get ugly .

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Thanks Maddy. I agree that younger audiences are not necessarily exposed to (or inclined to watch) older films, but the irony of the situation is that such films are now more readily available than ever before. As a boy, in the dark and distant pre-video/internet days, when all we had were 3 channels on a Black and white TV set, our only options were to watch whatever was broadcast, or presented at the local cinema, so kids were more familiar with older actors and films, because they were screened more often.Also, films made in the 40's and 50's were the age equivalent of something made in the 90's to us now, so many of the performers were still working, whether in cinema or TV. We would regularly watch the likes of Shirley Temple, George Formby, Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, Will Hay et al, on Saturday mornings, or during the holidays, and they were simply a fairly regular part of the programming.

However, I don't want to make it simply a youth versus maturity debate, because I don't know of any of my peers, or even older who remember, know or particularly care about the names I mentioned.Yes, of course they know who Marilyn or John Wayne are, and might be able to name a few of their more popular films, but generally speaking, they are indifferent (which is another reason why this forum is so important to us).

Anyway, I agree with all the wonderful names on your list, although I am unfamiliar with Lingyu Ruan. I smiled when I read Donald Calthrop.Who but you would even know to mention him..? I wrote to the powers that be some time ago, informing them that his photograph has been incorrectly identified as 'Walter Hudd', but it is still there on Hudd's page.Hey ho...

It's difficult for me to believe that the likes of Margaret Lockwood, or Jean Kent are not well remembered, because, to me they are household names.I watch their films all the time, and they seem as familiar to me as today's newsreaders or characters in soap operas, but you are absolutely right, ask a person in the street, and the answer would be, "Margaret who..?", and yet she was the female star of the 1940's, and continued well into the 1970's on television. It's strange, and rather sad.






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Hi Canterbury,

Lingyu was one of China's biggest stars during the 1930's, she tragically took her own life in 1935, aged just 24. She is an actress who has your attention completely, even during the smallest scene, a very expressive and talented lady. So sad that her life ended the way it did. Several of her films have been on YouTube, worth a look if you want to check out her work. I recommend The Little Toys, and The Goddess.

My favourite Calthrop role has to be the comic actor in Shooting Stars. (1928)That doesn't surprise me about the photo mix up.

I actually think that even bigger names, that we would imagine are still well known (Clark Gable, Peter Sellers, Alan Ladd, Veronica Lake, Mae West etc)are not actually as well known among non classic fans today, sad but most likely true.

Margaret was the best at playing bad girls, and you never hate her characters either(even in The Wicked Lady)you admire their strength.


Go to bed Frank or this is going to get ugly .

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Thanks,Maddy.I will definitely check out Lingyu Ruan's work.It's always wonderful to make new discoveries.

What you say about even the most famous (to us) names is absolutely true,yet the idea that someone like Gable has become virtually obsolete in 2017 is unthinkable to those of us who still regularly enjoy his work. We (classic film fans generally) could, of course, shrug, dismiss the ignorance of contemporary audiences, put up clique-y barriers, and adopt a lofty attitude about our passions, but, I think that would be wrong. If we simply sing to the choir, and fail to interest and actively encourage new audiences to seek out the untold joys of older cinema and TV ( and,for that matter,music and literature) then they will vanish, and we will all be the poorer for it.

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As I was reading through your O.P., Sally Gray came to mind. I had just finished watching all but one of the “Saint” movies from the late ‘30s; Gray was in two of them and quite noticable.

The 1931 “The Maltese Falcon” provides two names:

Ricardo Cortez – in addition to Sam Spade, he also played Perry Mason in “The Case of the Black Cat” Other credits: “West of Shanghai,” Two Charlie Chans, and a Mister Moto.

Bebe Daniels – the 1931 Maltese Falcon, “42nd Street,” at 9-years-old, Dorothy Gale in “The Wizard of Oz” (1910), a very long career (232 credits).

I would name quite a few Saturday matinee western stars of the 1930s and ‘40s who were extremely popular in their day:

Roy Rogers
Gene Autry
Johnny Mack Brown
Tom Mix (my father’s favorite from when he was a boy)
Buck Jones (died in the horrific Cocoanut Grove fire in Boston in 1942)

A couple more names off the top of my head:

Ann Sheridan – I Was A Male War Bride, King’s Row, They Drive By Night, Angels With Dirty Faces

Pat O’Brien – also from Angels With Dirty Faces and San Quentin, Devil Dogs of the Air, The Fighting 69th

Thanks Canterbury. This kind of thread is exactly what I will miss.

mf

“I know that, in spite of the poets, youth is not the happiest season"

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Those are exactly the sort of people I mean, Mike.Tom Mix, bless his name! You mention that he was your father's favourite, my dad was a Lash LaRue man 😊. I saw a Rocky Lane film on TCM the other evening.I missed most of it, but it was he first time I have ever come across one f his films on U.K TV, although I have been familiar with his name for many years.The numerous stars of serials and 2nd features are precisely who this thread is about.

Thanks, Mike.



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I was 'gearing up' for the upcoming 1940 poll (never to he held now ) and I watched Sheridan in Torrid Zone, It All Came True, and Castle on the Hudson.

She sang a song or two in both Torrid Zone and It All Came True, gal could sing! And held her own delivering snappy dialog with Cagney and Bogart. Ann looked beautiful in these films, at the height of her stardom.

Torrid Zone had Pat O'Brien as I like him best but rarely saw him - a meanie. He was great in a supporting role as the plantation boss who'd stream roll everyone and anything to get his way. A very nice change from his usual holier than thou roles.


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Glen, Torrid Zone has my favourite Ann Sheridan performance. She is superb, with every wisecrack finding its mark.I love Cagney,and Pat is always good value, but Ann is the one I remember this film for.In later work, such as I Was A Male War Bride and Woman On The Run, although great films, her sardonic edge made her seem somewhat hard and less appealing, but in T.Z, she got it just right.

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Two of my unsung actors were: Gary Merrill (All About Eve, Twelve O'Clock High)and Robert Lansing (movie: The 4D Man, tv: Twelve O'Clock High).

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Good choices, Maria, and both actors are favorites of mine as well.

Others: Frank Lovejoy, Macdonald Carey (really good actors, both); Steve Cochran, though Steve has a cult following; stalwarts like Richard Carlson, John Agar and Richard Denning, without whom Fifties sci-fi is unimaginable.

Of the ladies: Mae Clarke, Claire Dodd, Gloria Dickson, Ruth Hussey, Nancy Kelly, Patricia Morison,--a special favorite of mine--and Andrea King, Martha Scott, Claire Trevor, Jane Greer and Viveca Lindfors.

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